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My question is why would God give me a man who wasn't gentle with my heart.
He is a bible believing Christian, very well versed in scripture.
I thought someone like that would have the heart of Christ...but he calls me all the names you can think of when he's angry, upset or something goes against the ideals he has in his head.
I loved him so selflessly and whole heartedly. We are still together after dozens of break ups. But the cycle repeats, I trusted him with my heart but now, I love him but don't trust him with my heart. My heart is scared, I've never felt this way with a partner before and I don't know how to navigate it.
He's told people at church we split up because of my family. I have ended the relationship in the past, not him, because of the names he has called me.
As anyone ever experienced this, for my first Christian relationship, I am so disappointed.
 

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My question is why would God give me a man who wasn't gentle with my heart.
He is a bible believing Christian, very well versed in scripture.
I thought someone like that would have the heart of Christ...but he calls me all the names you can think of when he's angry, upset or something goes against the ideals he has in his head.
I loved him so selflessly and whole heartedly. We are still together after dozens of break ups. But the cycle repeats, I trusted him with my heart but now, I love him but don't trust him with my heart. My heart is scared, I've never felt this way with a partner before and I don't know how to navigate it.
He's told people at church we split up because of my family. I have ended the relationship in the past, not him, because of the names he has called me.
As anyone ever experienced this, for my first Christian relationship, I am so disappointed.
I am not that good at this, as I am a single man here, but I can plug this question into a privately run artificial intelligence software on my laptop. In 30 minutes, I'll get back to you, as the machine is a bit slow sometimes.

Before asking the machine, here are my $0.02 (two cents), generated by my flesh and blood brain: If you are not married, ditch the man, or at least, go to relationship counseling. He may need help with managing anger, and may be an uptight man. Also, I will pray for you and your man.
 
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Alright, here is what the machine had to say. It assumes marriage, but the same principles may or may not apply.

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My question is why would God give me a man who wasn't gentle with my heart.
He is a bible believing Christian, very well versed in scripture.
I thought someone like that would have the heart of Christ...but he calls me all the names you can think of when he's angry, upset or something goes against the ideals he has in his head.
I loved him so selflessly and whole heartedly. We are still together after dozens of break ups. But the cycle repeats, I trusted him with my heart but now, I love him but don't trust him with my heart. My heart is scared, I've never felt this way with a partner before and I don't know how to navigate it.
He's told people at church we split up because of my family. I have ended the relationship in the past, not him, because of the names he has called me.
As anyone ever experienced this, for my first Christian relationship, I am so disappointed.
Hello Coram Deo, first off (since I see that you are a new member), WELCOME TO CF :wave:

As far as whether I've ever experienced or seen behavior like you are describing from the man that you are dating, yes, but only very rarely because, unlike a marriage relationship, abusive dating relationships are simple to remedy by comparison, because all you have to do is walk away (since there is no true union there, legal or otherwise, to try and save, or to have to officially end).

I'm not, for a second, saying that this is easy to do in many cases (especially when one's heart is already so invested), you just don't have all of the baggage to deal with to end the relationship, the kind that you almost always have with a marriage.

So, since we are on the Christian Advice board, my advice to you (after reading what you wrote above) is to follow through and break up with him, permanently this time around. This "relationship" is not going to get better!! Best, by far then, to move on and find a truly loving relationship, one where love is a two-way street.

Question, have you talked in private with your pastor about this? If not, I would call him and do so immediately, for his counsel, help and prayers (w/o your boyfriend along, of course, and w/o telling him that you are doing so).

If you are not married, ditch the man, or at least, go to relationship counseling. He may need help with managing anger, and may be an uptight man.
Hello Alex et @Coram Deo, I wholeheartedly agree with your first bit of advice (about ditching the man), but not with your second. I've known a few who have tried actual "marriage counseling"* BEFORE being married, but I've never seen it work (just FYI, I was in the wedding business for about a decade, and while I know that I have not seen it all, I have, sadly, seen a LOT :sigh: ).

Quite frankly, if you need to have "marriage counseling" before getting married (when everything that a couple experiences with one another is typically wonderful), and you push past the obvious signs and get married anyway (hoping that getting married will fix all of your problems somehow), I can pretty much guarantee you that you will not be married for very long (I know a couple, clients who became friends actually, who THOUGHT that marriage counseling would fix the problems that they were having while dating. So, they got the counseling, thought they had their problems licked, and got married. You know what, they TRULY/GENUINALLY seemed to be deeply in love with one another at the time of their marriage and we all thought that they were going to make it, but they returned home from their honeymoon early and divorced :()!!

Getting married doesn't fix problems anymore that having babies will, both will simply give you a whole new set of problems to have to deal with as a couple (and individually). This is why the underlying dating relationship has to be rock solid and grounded in Christ before considering marriage, and the marriage hopefully the same then, before having babies (whenever possible anyway).

Praying for you!

God bless you!!

--David
p.s. - @Coram Deo, I have a question about your opening sentence in the OP, why do you believe that it was God who gave you this abusive man to have a relationship with? Thanks! (BTW, if answering that question makes you feel uncomfortable in any way, please don't do so!)


*(Just to be clear, PRE-Marriage counseling for engaged couples is both typical and, IMHO, necessary to help a new marriage get off the ground running. BUT, if you need the kind of "marriage counseling" that is given to couples whose marriage is in trouble after many years of being married ~BEFORE~ ever getting married, that is a BIG "red flag", and a message to you then that should be listened to carefully :preach:).
 
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My question is why would God give me a man who wasn't gentle with my heart.
He is a bible believing Christian, very well versed in scripture.
I thought someone like that would have the heart of Christ...but he calls me all the names you can think of when he's angry, upset or something goes against the ideals he has in his head.
I loved him so selflessly and whole heartedly. We are still together after dozens of break ups. But the cycle repeats, I trusted him with my heart but now, I love him but don't trust him with my heart. My heart is scared, I've never felt this way with a partner before and I don't know how to navigate it.
He's told people at church we split up because of my family. I have ended the relationship in the past, not him, because of the names he has called me.
As anyone ever experienced this, for my first Christian relationship, I am so disappointed.
He says he is a Christian but is Not. He may know the bible but it means nothing if he does not put it in practice. A true Christian would never call anybody names like he does. He obviously has no respect for you. If in your shoes I would leave him definitely. He absolutely does not deserve you.
 
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My question is why would God give me a man who wasn't gentle with my heart.
I think this is a little weak. I'd say probably most times God didn't give another person a spouse. They wanted them and did what it takes to have them by their own choice. I'd ask a person how much did they actually pray and get before God to see HIS will. Not saying you didn't but I've heard this story over and over again....why did God give them this one and if the truth were known they never really and truly prayed about it at all, just maybe a one sentence prayer.
He is a bible believing Christian, very well versed in scripture.
All Christians can fail periodically but if they're truly a believing Christian they won't just believe certain things are true but rather they'll APPLY the word of God in their lives, being a doer of the word and not just a hearing.
I thought someone like that would have the heart of Christ...but he calls me all the names you can think of when he's angry, upset or something goes against the ideals he has in his head.
If such is the case then you NEED to have Bible verses on LOVE, flowing through your sirit and mind all the time to keep you on track. Verses like put off anger, wrath, malice and filthy communication out of your mouth, and you cease from strife in it's ever form for the love of God constrains you. I can provide a great many others where they're found if you're interested.

But the cycle repeats, I trusted him with my heart but now, I love him but don't trust him with my heart.
Cycles can be broken and smashed with the word of God driving them out. Trust can be rebuilt as well.
My heart is scared, I've never felt this way with a partner before and I don't know how to navigate it.
He's told people at church we split up because of my family. I have ended the relationship in the past, not him, because of the names he has called me.
As anyone ever experienced this, for my first Christian relationship, I am so disappointed.
Main thing now are you both willing to see yourselves through the blood of Jesus which remits and blots out your sins or mistakes of the past. That provides a fresh new page to begin a new . But you both need all Gods scriptures about walking in love and forgiveness being solid and permeating your consciousness to keep you in the right groove. Jesus said it is his WORD which sanctifies us.....or cuts off the wrong ways of thinking.
 
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Hello Coram Deo, first off (since I see that you are a new member), WELCOME TO CF :wave:

As far as whether I've ever experienced or seen behavior like you are describing from the man that you are dating, yes, but only very rarely because, unlike a marriage relationship, abusive dating relationships are simple to remedy by comparison, because all you have to do is walk away (since there is no true union there, legal or otherwise, to try and save, or to have to officially end).

I'm not, for a second, saying that this is easy to do in many cases (especially when one's heart is already so invested), you just don't have all of the baggage to deal with to end the relationship, the kind that you almost always have with a marriage.

So, since we are on the Christian Advice board, my advice to you (after reading what you wrote above) is to follow through and break up with him, permanently this time around. This "relationship" is not going to get better!! Best, by far then, to move on and find a truly loving relationship, one where love is a two-way street.

Question, have you talked in private with your pastor about this? If not, I would call him and do so immediately, for his counsel, help and prayers (w/o your boyfriend along, of course, and w/o telling him that you are doing so).


Hello Alex et @Coram Deo, I wholeheartedly agree with your first bit of advice (about ditching the man), but not with your second. I've known a few who have tried actual "marriage counseling"* BEFORE being married, but I've never seen it work (just FYI, I was in the wedding business for about a decade, and while I know that I have not seen it all, I have, sadly, seen a LOT :sigh: ).

Quite frankly, if you need to have "marriage counseling" before getting married (when everything that a couple experiences with one another is typically wonderful), and you push past the obvious signs and get married anyway (hoping that getting married will fix all of your problems somehow), I can pretty much guarantee you that you will not be married for very long (I know a couple, clients who became friends actually, who THOUGHT that marriage counseling would fix the problems that they were having while dating. So, they got the counseling, thought they had their problems licked, and got married. You know what, they TRULY/GENUINALLY seemed to be deeply in love with one another at the time of their marriage and we all thought that they were going to make it, but they returned home from their honeymoon early and divorced :()!!

Getting married doesn't fix problems anymore that having babies will, both will simply give you a whole new set of problems to have to deal with as a couple (and individually). This is why the underlying dating relationship has to be rock solid and grounded in Christ before considering marriage, and the marriage hopefully the same then, before having babies (whenever possible anyway).

Praying for you!

God bless you!!

--David
p.s. - @Coram Deo, I have a question about your opening sentence in the OP, why do you believe that it was God who gave you this abusive man to have a relationship with? Thanks! (BTW, if answering that question makes you feel uncomfortable in any way, please don't do so!)


*(Just to be clear, PRE-Marriage counseling for engaged couples is both typical and, IMHO, necessary to help a new marriage get off the ground running. BUT, if you need the kind of "marriage counseling" that is given to couples whose marriage is in trouble after many years of being married ~BEFORE~ ever getting married, that is a BIG "red flag", and a message to you then that should be listened to carefully :preach:).
Thanks for liking my advice.
 
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My question is why would God give me a man who wasn't gentle with my heart.
He is a bible believing Christian, very well versed in scripture.
I thought someone like that would have the heart of Christ...but he calls me all the names you can think of when he's angry, upset or something goes against the ideals he has in his head.
I loved him so selflessly and whole heartedly. We are still together after dozens of break ups. But the cycle repeats, I trusted him with my heart but now, I love him but don't trust him with my heart. My heart is scared, I've never felt this way with a partner before and I don't know how to navigate it.
He's told people at church we split up because of my family. I have ended the relationship in the past, not him, because of the names he has called me.
As anyone ever experienced this, for my first Christian relationship, I am so disappointed.

He sounds horrible and you sound very unhappy. My suggestion is brace yourself, endure going through the breakup, and try to make a better choice next time.

I wouldn't blame God for "giving" this dude to you. God has given us a lot of leeway in the choices we make (you can blame God for that). Consider this lessen learned and be good to yourself.

Don't be hard on yourself for getting with him. It takes time to really get to know a person. I think many of us have had similar experiences. Whatever the case, you deserve better than someone who is mean and calls you names.
 
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Not everyone who says he is a Christian is one.
Not every Christian walks by the Spirit (Gal 5)

If you speak from the heart and he speaks from the head, it can be like two different languages. People have bridged this gap in the past, but it often requires a willingness to embark on the path of spiritual growth represented b the transition from selfishness to selflessness.

Anger is often a result of a difference between what we expect and reality. If your friend felt hurt suddenly, it can trigger a hurtful response as a defense mechanism. This reflex can indicate spiritual immaturity.
 
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Are you certain God picked him for you?

Mat 7:9
“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!
 
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My question is why would God give me a man who wasn't gentle with my heart.
He is a bible believing Christian, very well versed in scripture.
I thought someone like that would have the heart of Christ...but he calls me all the names you can think of when he's angry, upset or something goes against the ideals he has in his head.
I loved him so selflessly and whole heartedly. We are still together after dozens of break ups. But the cycle repeats, I trusted him with my heart but now, I love him but don't trust him with my heart. My heart is scared, I've never felt this way with a partner before and I don't know how to navigate it.
He's told people at church we split up because of my family. I have ended the relationship in the past, not him, because of the names he has called me.
As anyone ever experienced this, for my first Christian relationship, I am so disappointed.
If you read the book of Hosea you will see that God can tell you to be with someone that will stomp on your heart. I see this more as the exception and not the norm, but why would you want to unless you fully knew, no unsurety, that that is what He is calling you to do?

I been there. Ended with a bottle of pills on the side of my bed and praying to God to help me. Next day i woke up with clarity of mind and heart and ended the relationship. I was done. There was no going back. His manipulation to make me feel like crap and everything was my fault, and my thinking i owed it to him to try and help him, had ended. Many times we know, but we allow the voice of others, or our own warped knowledge of scripture to lead us. Then, we only move when that inner voice is screaming at us and we find ourselves sick.

Some Christians can be terribly manipulative and they will use scriptures to manipulate you. Many fall for it because they don't know better and they are being manipulated by the knowledge of good and evil rather than the heart of the scriptures, Father God's Holy Spirit.

My advice is that if God did not clearly, without a doubt tell you to be with him, get out and close the door to tour heart to him before he shreds it to pieces.

One of the big Christian manipulations with scripture is some treating me like crap, then when i needed time to recover from my wounds and creating space, they'd accuse me of being unforgiving and add a load of guilt to their poor treatment of me.

God had to teach me that forgiveness is given freely, but trust is earned so don't feel bad shutting the door to them, and even locking it if it is that bad. As we grow in the Lord we will be fortified within, wearing our full armor. In the meantime, don't ignore those inner warning lights or you may end up drinking poisoned kool-aid.

If God clearly, no doubt, speaks to you about pairing up with a heartless individual, He will give you the grace to see you through. No grace, most likely you missed it, and/or you may be working it in your own power.

I REITERATE, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THESE CALLINGS ARE RARE.

If He surely called you to that, the good part will be that it is a wonderful opportunity to draw close to Him and let Him connect you with his heart and grievances with how we have treated Him like crap, and let Him comfort you. This is a beautiful thing. Look to Him for that, not your partner.

The more He asks of you, the more He will give to you to see you through. Some want more of Him, but not willing to go through the fire with Him.

I always say, the test of a relationship is not through the good times, but through the hard times and i personally believe there is a greater depth and intimacy with God for those who are willing to share his grievances, made available through Christ.
 
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And i do believe God will call us to be a living sacrifice for others, not just in romantic relationships, but you need to be sure that it is not the manipulation of others, or a warp understanding of scriptures.

In my life i personally know that we all have to, from within, come to the realization when a relationship is not good for us and not called to it. Many may see it and tell us, but it can take time to see it for ourselves.

Don't let him isolate you from others that God can use to help you see more clearly.

God can use others to help us there, not by playing Holy Spirit in our lives, but by Godly counsel.

Once your heart is freed from following other manipulative, ungodly voices, it won't take you long to be glad that you did.

The scriptures are a powerful tool for manipulation because believers want to please God and that is a powerful allie for a controlling spirit.

God loves us and gets us and we are accepted and pleasing in Christ. You can never earn that. As a believer you enter into his acceptance and pleasure in Christ.
 
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I am deeply sorry you are experiencing this. This is emotional abuse. The devil knows the scriptures and trembles. Just because he has great bible knowledge doesn't make him a christian, or a man that is converted and loves the Lord.

I take it you are not married. Continue to pray about it, but this man doesn't sound like a good person for you.


When I was young I met a man, like this. Then he wanted to push me from a train. He later told me he had mental illness.
I am glad God spared me from marrying him.


Please take care of yourself and study up on toxic relationships.
take care
 
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