Hurricane Katrina

[nephilimiyr]

How dare you. You have completely bore false witness against preterists here like myself who are completely orthodox (i.e.: partial) in our preterist eschatology and fully believe that Christ will return again. You have no right to lie about us and accuse us of open deception here on this forum simply because you don't agree with our eschatological beliefs.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

One thing I get tired of as a non preterist is being accused of purposely decieveing people into believeing in the endtimes and that we are in the endtimes. Let me put it this way...I understand your offense, one of the reasons why I mostly avoid this forum is because I have experienced the same offense that you just have.

Newlamb shouldn't have portrayed all of you as doing the same thing but she is entitled to her opinion. When I was accused of purposely decieveing people into believeing in a endtime scenario where were you to admonish the partial perterist who did that? It's funny how there was complete silence from the preterist crowd when that happen.

I don't agree with what newlamb, at least not totally, said. I do believe some preterists here do call themselves "partial" just so that they can post here but I wouldn't call you all full preterists.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

See i was right , but don't worry i will pray for you...lol

Yeah, when did bulbs belong in the silverware tray ???

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

How dare you. You have completely bore false witness against preterists here like myself who are completely orthodox (i.e.: partial) in our preterist eschatology and fully believe that Christ will return again. You have no right to lie about us and accuse us of open deception here on this forum simply because you don't agree with our eschatological beliefs.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

Don't have a stroke Act6:5. I think where the problem lies, is that we know that there are full blown Preterists on this site just by what they say...not all of us are stupid. We have our shields up against even those who say that they are partial, because we don't know if they are being sincere about it. In your case, I believe that you are partial, even though I disagree with some of your Eschatology. The word Preterist has gotten a really bad name on here, and other Christian sites. It's probably because it is a name that came out of the closet not to many years ago. Us feeling this way can't be helped, because the full blown Preterists have made it that way for the partials....YELL at them.

 

[nephilimiyr]

The word Preterist has gotten a really bad name on here, and other Christian sites. It's probably because it is a name that came out of the closet not to many years ago. Us feeling this way can't be helped, because the full blown Preterists have made it that way for the partials....YELL at them.

LOL, you don't honestly believe that a partial preterist is going to blame or admonish a full preterist do you? I've seen where they have had the opportunity to do it before and none of them have stepped up to the plate.

 

[NumberOneSon]

One thing I get tired of as a non preterist is being accused of purposely decieveing people into believeing in the endtimes and that we are in the endtimes.

Neph, I've been on this forum for as long as you have and I have never once seen any preterist accuse futurists of purposefully deceiving people into believing that we are in the end times. Now preterists have stated that futurists may be deceived in their beliefs (just like futurists believe that we prets are deceived), but I've never seen an accusation by any preterist that futurists are purposefully deceiving people. I'm not saying they haven't, but I've never seen it.

If such a thing has happened then I simply did not see the post. Can you refer me to the thread in question? I'd be curious to see it for myself.

Let me put it this way...I understand your offense, one of the reasons why I mostly avoid this forum is because I have experienced the same offense that you just have.

I understand.

Newlamb shouldn't have portrayed all of you as doing the same thing but she is entitled to her opinion.

Not when her opinion distorts what we believe and falsely accuses all of us of being full preterists in sheeps clothing. That's not "opinion", that's a violation of forum rules.

When I was accused of purposely decieveing people into believeing in a endtime scenario where were you to admonish the partial perterist who did that? It's funny how there was complete silence from the preterist crowd when that happen.

This is pretty ironic; do you remember a little incident that happened on one of Nana's threads back in December? I responded to her initial thread with a comment I thought was funny but she and others like yourself thought it was offensive and you wrote that I basically had no excuse and should apologize for my offense, even if my intent was not to offend. Now I am the one who is offended, not because of a bad joke but because of a false accusation, and instead of you demanding an apology from Newlamb like you did me, you say you don't agree with her "entirely", and that she is entitled to her "opinion". Things have a way of coming full circle sometimes, I guess.

Neph, let me tell you a little about myself; I participated on the CARM boards for years in the Mormonism forum, and I was known quite well for being evenhanded in my criticisms and not towing the Christian line when I believed a Christian was out of line in what they posted. I would do the same for you here if I ever saw a preterist falsely accusing you of anything. That's just how I work. I don't read every thread let alone every post at this forum, so if you were falsely accused by someone who agrees with my eschatology views then I apologize in their stead; it was wrong for them to do so. I've always liked you and have appreciated your insight - I'd never believe you'd purposefully lead someone into error.

I don't agree with what newlamb, at least not totally, said. I do believe some preterists here do call themselves "partial" just so that they can post here but I wouldn't call you all full preterists.

I know pretty much every preterist on this board and I can only think of one that would even come close to straddling the fence between partial and full preterism. Sorry, but Newlamb wasn't even close in her assessment.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[nephilimiyr]

Cool, thank you Acts for completely explainly yourself. I understand where you're coming from

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

LOL, you don't honestly believe that a partial preterist is going to blame or admonish a full preterist do you? I've seen where they have had the opportunity to do it before and none of them have stepped up to the plate.

Well, I have never personally been "ganged up" on by a full preterist and a partial at the same time on one topic...yet. I'll take your word for it though .

 

[NumberOneSon]

Don't have a stroke Act6:5. I think where the problem lies, is that we know that there are full blown Preterists on this site just by what they say...not all of us are stupid. We have our shields up against even those who say that they are partial, because we don't know if they are being sincere about it.

Like I told Neph, I know virtually all of the preterists on this forum, as well as those who aren't prets but have beliefs that are closely linked to preterism, and I can think of only one who even comes close to full preterism. Only one. Since Erwin put the rule in affect, every preterist I can think of here holds to a future coming of Christ; to refuse that doctrine is the the ONLY thing that makes someone a full preterist.

In your case, I believe that you are partial, even though I disagree with some of your Eschatology.

I believe in the future return of Christ; that catagorically means I am not a full preterist.

The word Preterist has gotten a really bad name on here, and other Christian sites. It's probably because it is a name that came out of the closet not to many years ago.

The eschatological label may be new (just like all eschatological catagories are pretty recent), but as I labored to explain to you back in June, preterist doctrines and principles have been a part of orthodox Christian teaching for the entire history of our Church, and are far from new. They are quite ancient, in fact.

Us feeling this way can't be helped, because the full blown Preterists have made it that way for the partials....YELL at them.

"Feelings" don't excuse false witnessing. I wasn't right to offend you back in December (see above post), and Newlamb had no right to slander partial preterists here. That's the bottom line. There are no Full preterists on this board, Nana; I've been a participant on this forum since way back in 2002 when Full prets were actually allowed to post here, and I'm telling you there are no preterists here today who deny the future coming of Christ.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[nephilimiyr]

Well, I have never personally been "ganged up" on by a full preterist and a partial at the same time on one topic...yet. I'll take your word for it though .

LOL, sorry but coming from you Big Mouth that's hard to believe but I'll believe you.

I'm telling you people, we need to pray. Right now we all need to put our difference's behind us and unite. What has happend is big and our views and or beliefs on eschatology should not even comke into play on this. Many will be there for the physical needs of these people effected, lets be there for their spiritual needs!

 

[NumberOneSon]

Cool, thank you Acts for completely explainly yourself. I understand where you're coming from

No problem. And here I was looking forward to coming home from work and responding to your 1:44am post, and now look....oh well, I'll try to get to it tomorrow. And you're so right; despite our doctrinal differences we are all Christians and we need to band together in prayer and support for the people in the Gulf region.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[nephilimiyr]

No problem. And here I was looking forward to coming home from work and responding to your 1:44am post, and now look....oh well, I'll try to get to it tomorrow. And you're so right; despite our doctrinal differences we are all Christians and we need to band together in prayer and support for the people in the Gulf region.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

Yeah, I'm sorry I ruined any agreement or dialog between us. I've been sitting here all day watching the news and being on the phone with friends and family and I've been highly emotional today.

I feel this thing though. I feel God is waiting to act in a big way. He's just waiting for his children to respond.

Oh yeah, that post. I'd love to hear your response on that!

With love....

 

[Adamario_129]

Well, first of all, does that take away from the Bible teaching that Christ could return at any time? I mean, is there a 7 year warning so to say? And if there is, wouldn't that be the same as setting a date? Im just asking, not trying to steer the conversation or anything.

At the risk of steering it anyway, let me just say that I think this is like saying that God couldn't have chosen one thing because he could have chosen something else. Yes, He could return at any time, but that doesn't mean He won't wait seven years just because He doesn't have to.

 

[Yekcidmij]

At the risk of steering it anyway, let me just say that I think this is like saying that God couldn't have chosen one thing because he could have chosen something else. Yes, He could return at any time, but that doesn't mean He won't wait seven years just because He doesn't have to.

Thanks!

 

[Yekcidmij]

At the risk of steering it anyway, let me just say that I think this is like saying that God couldn't have chosen one thing because he could have chosen something else. Yes, He could return at any time, but that doesn't mean He won't wait seven years just because He doesn't have to.

And maybe Revelation was and insight into His plan? But is setting a 7 year period for a tribulation and whanot still setting a date for His return?

 

[Adamario_129]

Well, He has set a date. Jesus said that the angels (and Himself) don't know the day that God the Father has set for the Second Coming, which would imply that there is a date to know, and if He chose to have it come after a 7-year Tribulation, then that doesn't detract from His omnipotence at all.
Off topic: Am I the only one who has only been able to load a text-only version of the site for the last few minutes?

 

[nephilimiyr]

At the risk of steering it anyway,

At the risk of steering the conversation my way allow me to say that we need to put our difference's behind us now, right now, and pray. Then we need to act!

 

[Starforsaken]

Well since no one else will come out and say it, to be a preterist is to decieve. The preterist way of thinking is wrong and does nothing but confuse people. It would be nice to believe that all that was spoken of in revelation already happened but no, it hasnt but it will happen most likely in my life time. Sure come up with some facts charts and statistics and try to confuse people and make them think otherwise; some people may be fooled by the majority of us cant be tricked.

 

[NumberOneSon]

Well since no one else will come out and say it, to be a preterist is to decieve.

*Sigh*.

Absolutely, catagorically untrue. I'll explain this to you in the simplist of terms, Star; preterist beliefs and principles have been a part of orthodox Christian teaching within our Church for it's entire 1900 year history. Some of the most respected and well known Church fathers and figures incorporated preteristic beliefs within their eschatology.

As you said in your opening post, you haven't been on this earth for that long and you probably don't have a thorough knowledge yet of what the Church has believed over the past 2 millenia, so preterism may be new and strange to you, but I assure you it is not.

The preterist way of thinking is wrong and does nothing but confuse people.

That's simply your opinion. There are plenty of beliefs that Christians have which I feel are wrong and confusing to me, but I'd never turn around and then accuse them of deception simply because I don't understand their doctrines. Preterism may confuse you, but many others think the opposite.

It would be nice to believe that all that was spoken of in revelation already happened but no, it hasnt but it will happen most likely in my life time. Sure come up with some facts charts and statistics and try to confuse people and make them think otherwise; some people may be fooled by the majority of us cant be tricked.

The charts were straightforward and simple to understand. They weren't confusing in the least; they just didn't support your views, and so you dismiss them. I didn't create the charts - the National Hurricane Service did. But I guess it's simply easier to dismiss them because of my preterism rather than address them objectively.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[Rafael]

What did the poor citizens of New Orleans have to do with Gaza? Is God's aim so bad? Was He aiming for Crawfordsville, or Washington D.C.? That makes no sense. I might as well blame my gout attacks on Bush supporting Israel giving back Gaza.

Ps 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.

Ge 12:3 I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. All the families of the earth will be blessed through you."

I suppose God isn't aware of what goes on in America and that He is unable to protect the land? Doesn't that deny the power of God? What if we all believed enough to do as the Bible instructs?

2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

If America turns its back on its brother who is the house of Judah and co-inheritor of the "new covenant", the words of Micah will come true as they are when the tall images are cut down (twin towers), and cities destroyed. Does God speak of this happening in the future to the elect who call themselves by His name? He sure does:

Micah 5:7 ¶ And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.
8 And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.
9 Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off.
10 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD, that I will cut off thy horses out of the midst of thee, and I will destroy thy chariots:
11 And I will cut off the cities of thy land, and throw down all thy strong holds:
12 And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand; and thou shalt have no more soothsayers:
13 Thy graven images also will I cut off, and thy standing images out of the midst of thee; and thou shalt no more worship the work of thine hands.
14 And I will pluck up thy groves out of the midst of thee: so will I destroy thy cities.
15 And I will execute vengeance in anger and fury upon the heathen, such as they have not heard.

God knows about America and her sins as a nation not "under God" anymore. although she once proudly bore that title. Does the Bible tell us these things will increase in frequency and intensity or not? It does, and we are called to repent of our sins and pray.

 

[abbygirlforever]

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Poppycock! Hurricane Katrina is God's punishment to us for tolertaing "ministers" like Pat Robertson who preach the heresy of a pre-trib rapture and call for the assassination of foreign leaders. Isarel withdrawing from Gaza was a righteous act on their part, and ALL intelligent people applaud it!!!

Israel withdrawing was a righteous act??? Oh, I'd love to see how you proved that!

Hmm, giving a piece of land that you took over in a defensive war against enemies determined to destroy you who were launching attacks from said piece of land back to the very people who want to destroy you is a good thing??

The agreement was that Gaza be given back and terrorism stops. Uh huh. Only thing is you can't trust the terrorists! They are determined to destroy Israel. Messing with Israel is always bad.

Why is it that every time somebody attacks Israel, Israel is supposed to "show restraint" and not defend itself or go after the people who attacked? Amazing double standard. For any other nation, being attacked by a group directly supported by a hostile country is an act of war. But for Israel? Nope.