Hummingbirds Disprove Creationism

[ScottA]

How is disagreeing with illogical man made doctrines testing God? Please state the order of creation. What was created on each day. Then, I will show you the contradiction between Genesis 1 and 2 in order.

God has stated the order. State the contradiction (as you see it) and I will explain.

 

[Wunderlust]

For this reason, it is written:

‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.

You aren't addressing what the quote is about. You aren't addressing my post. You are posting random, nonsensical things and playing it off as if you are God and I am just not understanding you.

You aren't God. You aren't speaking in parables. You are posting nonsense and then defending it by suggesting you speak beyond wisdom.

 

[Wunderlust]

God has stated the order. State the contradiction (as you see it) and I will explain.

I just did that in a previous post.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

first there is no evidence of the theory. all the evidence shows evolution too be true. macro evolution. that species change over time. The thing is it all shows a depletion of genes not adding to it. they loose info or combine info or rearrange them never add anything not already there. you speak of the ark as if every species today was on it then. not true. God created a perfect world. all the species he created had the ability to become what we have today. but not by the theory of simple to complex. but highly complex to less. its called speciation. a fact and well proven and shows the reason of the humming bird and extinctions and the reason most species are stuck in their region of the world. they have lost their ability to adapt because they speciated to fit certain niches of environments. the animal world isn't speciating upward or into higher stronger species but weaker ones. that's what I see anyways.

Lets be perfectly clear about what you "see". You don't see animals becoming weaker with time. You just did some figuring and figured that must be what is happened, based on your religiously inspired opinions.

There is absolutely no evidence for any richer, stronger, more complex genomes in animals 5 or 6 thousand years ago. There is only sheer speculation that this might have been the case from creationists.

 

[AV1611VET]

Question for the Creationists:
How did hummingbirds get to the Americas without passing through Asia?

The landmass of the earth consisted of one giant supercontinent at the time, which later was broken up into five smaller ones.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

The landmass of the earth consisted of one giant supercontinent at the time, which later was broken up into five smaller ones.

Uh . . . . that was slightly before hummingbirds.

 

[AV1611VET]

Uh . . . . that was slightly before hummingbirds.

No hummingbirds on the Ark?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Uh . . . . that was slightly before hummingbirds.

Probably only a day or two. Or was it three?

 

[-57]

Genesis 2;
Before plants and rain, there were streams
Then God made Adam
Then God made trees
Then God made animals and birds
Then God made eve

A Creationist will ready that and go into desperate mental contortions.

Now here I thought you were going to point out the contradictions.

 

[-57]

I just did that in a previous post.

With absolutly zero biblical reference. Is that the best you got?

 

[ScottA]

I didn't say anything about misinterpretation. Creationism is about picking Genesis 1 and ignoring Genesis 2, and deciding to interpret the passage as literal instead of accepting it is obviously metaphorical. One must also ignore biblical criticism which reveals Genesis 1 and 2 are from separate sources that were combined at a later date.

Explain. Make your case.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Probably only a day or two. Or was it three?

Pangaea began to break apart about 175 million years ago. Hummingbirds did not begin to exist apart from other birds until about 75 to 85 million years ago.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Pangaea began to break apart about 175 million years ago. Hummingbirds did not begin to exist apart from other birds until about 75 to 85 million years ago.

That's one theory, yes.
It doesn't hold up in view of Scripture that I read.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

That's one theory, yes.
It doesn't hold up in view of Scripture that I read.

You can trust the direct Word of God written in the stars, the rocks, and the genomes.

It is just as easy to reconcile the Bible with His direct word as it is to reconcile the Bible with itself.

 

[Wunderlust]

Now here I thought you were going to point out the contradictions.

Did you fail basic reading comprehension? The order of creation is different.

 

[Wunderlust]

With absolutly zero biblical reference. Is that the best you got?

I referred to both Genesis 1 and 2 and pointed out their different orders of creation. What are you not getting?

 

[Wunderlust]

Explain. Make your case.

I already did that.

/////Genesis 2;
Before plants and rain, there were streams
Then God made Adam
Then God made trees
Then God made animals and birds
Then God made eve

A Creationist will read that and go into desperate mental contortions.
////

 

[ScottA]

I already did that.

/////Genesis 2;
Before plants and rain, there were streams
Then God made Adam
Then God made trees
Then God made animals and birds
Then God made eve

A Creationist will read that and go into desperate mental contortions.
////

That is not much of a case. That is why I asked you to elaborate.

It is you who are taking things literally, reading them as if they were completely chronological. They are not. That is just a form of writing and explanation: to give a brief summary, then go into greater detail regarding certain matters of importance. Nevertheless, there is no contradiction, it is just one story. You are making something out of nothing.

 

[Abraxos]

In this thread it has been shown that there were indeed examples of hummingbirds in Europe, and maybe Asia and I can even add Africa at some point in time.
It's also been shown that Genesis 7:2-3 pretty much shoots down the only two hummingbirds that the OP addressed.

Not much of a case of hummingbirds putting a dent in creationism. The only dent I see currently is Dale's pride.

 

[JacksBratt]

Pangaea began to break apart about 175 million years ago. Hummingbirds did not begin to exist apart from other birds until about 75 to 85 million years ago.

Do you have a scripture that states this. Or at least a reference?