Humans did NOT evolve from Apes...

Aman777 · Jul 20, 2017

miknik5 said:
This conveniently removes the need for the ACTUAL "lLAST ADAM" CHRIST JESUS to have to first come into the world in the flesh in order to lay down the flesh so as to become for all the "first little unregenerated adams naturally born on the 6th day" to be reborn of CHRIST's (THE LAST ADAM) LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT

The first Adam became a living soul (that's 6th day unregenerated natural fleshly carnal man)

The LAST ADAM became a life-giving SPIRIT (that's THE LORD doing for natural carnal fleshly Adam what he could not do for himself by THE LORD's SPIRIT being poured out upon the unregenerated little fleshly adam (on an individual basis based on unregenerated little fleshly Adam believing in CHRIST's redemptive work) through faith in CHRIST's redemptive work which was laying down willingly and purposely the flesh so as to take it up again and so as to become for those little 6th day little fleshly carnal adams a LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT

Flesh came first....then spirit
All must be born again

Adam was not born again because the SPIRIT had not yet been poured out upon any because CHRIST JESUS had not yet entered into HIS GLORY

UnScriptural , but true according to ancient man's religious beliefs which do not agree with what mankind has learned in the past 3k years. Here's the conclusion of the teaching in context.

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is Spiritual, but that which is Natural; and afterward that which is Spiritual.

Adam was first made a living soul (Heb-being). He fell and became like ALL other men. After he was born again Spiritually, all things became NEW and he became like Jesus, a Spiritual Being, instead of a natural being. Jesus is NOT the second Adam, and could NOT be since Jesus is God and has NO beginning and NO end. God Bless you

Aman777 · Jul 20, 2017

miknik5 said:
Done have already passed through the LORD's (7th day) SABBATH REST and are a NEW (8th day) CREATION in HIM

That doesn't hold true for those who are still 6 and unregenerated little fleshly carnal adams

Since God has but 7 Days/Ages and the 7th Day is eternity, since it has NO evening, your idea that today is the 8th Day is totally unscriptural. Want to try and support that view with chapter and verse?

miknik5 · Jul 20, 2017

miknik5 said:
Sarcasm? You should know the WORD of GOD

And not play with HIS WORD

TBDude65 said:
Organisms share genes because of common ancestry. That is the way you get your genetic make-up too (the traits you possess come from your mother, father, and grandparents).

And genes don't have to be physically expressed. You seem to be confusing genotypes with phenotypes. Selection pressures for genotypes are not the same as those for phenotypes, but genotypes are inadvertently selected for when phenotypes are too.

But I don't understand what this digression has to do with anything else said thus far.

if man had become so corrupt that bestiality was a common occurrence, what would have happened to the genetic make up of man

Could this be a reason why we thought men evolved from apes?

TBDude65 · Jul 20, 2017

miknik5 said:
if man had become so corrupt that bestiality was a common occurrence, what would have happened to the genetic make up of man

Could this be a reason why we believe men evolved from apes?

Literally nothing would happen to the genetic make-up of man by trying to reproduce with any organism that was not also Homo sapien. There is no mechanism for sex to cause genes to transfer between species (or genera).

Viruses have been known to cause lateral gene transfer between distantly related species (known to have occurred in cows for instance).

Aman777 · Jul 20, 2017

TBDude65 said:
Humans are apes (from here:Classification of Living Things: Linnaean Classification of Humans):
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Subphylum: Vertebrata
Class: Mammalia
Subclass: Theria
Infraclass: Eutheria
Order: Primates
Suborder: Anthropoidea
Superfamily: Hominoidea
Family: Hominidae
Genus: Homo
Species: sapiens

I thought I would also list some other common species you know in each group for reference of the range of diversity in each category (I'll ignore the subcategories like "Subclass" and "Infraclass")

Kingdom Animalia: Any multicellular organism that isn't a plant that has specialized cells. This includes Sponges, Molluscs, Vertebrates, Insects, etc
Phylum Chordata: Anything with a centralized nervous system that runs along the axis of the body from Limpets and sea squirts, to dinosaurs, and dogs (the notochord may be lost during ontogeny, like for the sea squirts)
Subphylum Vertebrata: Organisms with a central nervous system and a rigid spine of some sort. Includes sharks and rays, as well as elephants, turtles, frogs, etc
Class Mammalia: Animals that have hair and possess mammary glands (there are also defining qualities associated with skull morphology). Platypus, Kangaroos, Dogs, Cats, Lions, Tigers, Bears
Order Primates: Possess hands, hand-like feet, and eyes that sit on the front of the skull and face forward (allowing for stereoscopic vision). Lemurs, Monkeys, Gorillas
Family Hominidae: These are the great apes and include us as well as Gorillas, Orangutans, and Chimpanzees. Large, tail-less omnivores. In addition to this there would also be morphological traits associated with skull and jaw morphology
Genus Homo: This is the genus that defines Humans. Any species in this genus is considered human. So modern (extant) humans are here, as well as extinct species (and/or sub-species) like Neanderthals and Homo habilis

Your classification system is the changeable view of men who reject God's Truth and make up their own classification systems. Christians don't accept your scientific view as God's Truth, since God's Truth changes not. Posting that system to Christians is like posting Scripture to Atheists. They ignore it, just as Christians ignore your "supposed proof". So drop the idea that Science knows the Truth better than God. That sounds just like Lucifer's view. God Bless you

TBDude65 · Jul 20, 2017

Aman777 said:
Your classification system is the changeable view of men who reject God's Truth and make up their own classification systems. Christians don't accept your scientific view as God's Truth, since God's Truth changes not. Posting that system to Christians is like posting Scripture to Atheists. They ignore it, just as Christians ignore your "supposed proof". So drop the idea that Science knows the Truth better than God. That sounds just like Lucifer's view. God Bless you

Do you use any modern medicines?

Aman777 · Jul 20, 2017

miknik5 said:
Sarcasm? You should know the WORD of GOD

And not play with HIS WORD

IOW, It's easier to capitalize the WORD of GOD than it is to support your view with it. Stay around and you will see that I do not play with His Holy Word as you falsely accuse me of doing. Only the people of the last days can understand Genesis. Dan 12:4 It's the last days before Jesus returns, so catch up. God Bless you

Aman777 · Jul 20, 2017

TBDude65 said:
Do you use any modern medicines?

All kinds of them, but none of them cures me of death. Jesus does. Those who have not been born again Spiritually are doomed to death. God Bless you

TBDude65 · Jul 20, 2017

Aman777 said:
All kinds of them, but none of them cures me of death. Jesus does. Those who have not been born again Spiritually are doomed to death. God Bless you

If you use medicine, then you are utilizing the truth of the evolutionary relationships among organisms. If you don't believe evolution is true, then your trust in medicine is extremely misplaced.

miknik5 · Jul 20, 2017

Aman777 said:
UnScriptural , but true according to ancient man's religious beliefs which do not agree with what mankind has learned in the past 3k years. Here's the conclusion of the teaching in context.

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is Spiritual, but that which is Natural; and afterward that which is Spiritual.

Adam was first made a living soul (Heb-being). He fell and became like ALL other men. After he was born again Spiritually, all things became NEW and he became like Jesus, a Spiritual Being, instead of a natural being. Jesus is NOT the second Adam, and could NOT be since Jesus is God and has NO beginning and NO end. God Bless you

Unless a grain of wheat die
I came not to be served but to serve and to give my life as a ransom for many

And as well Isaiah 53

SCRIPTURAL!

Yes...very SCIPTIRAL

miknik5 · Jul 20, 2017

Jimmy D said:
It's almost as if they could be related in some way?

They're not
They just brought forth young of mixed seed

miknik5 · Jul 20, 2017

Jimmy D said:
It's almost as if they could be related in some way?

Dup post

Aman777 · Jul 20, 2017

miknik5 said:
It was never adams firmament or adams earth

It was always GOD's

And it didn't matter where GOD placed the man

Whether on top of a mountain or at the bottom of Lake Van turkey

It wasn't where the man physically was that dictated his innocence or goodness

Adam wasn't born again and never had that opportunity

He is included in the generation prior to CHRIST physically entering through the firmament and coming into the world born in the natural pattern of a man so as to redeem all flesh who would believe in HIM as the LAST ADAM and the VERY WAY (hidden until the fullness of time) back into the GARDEN and PRESENCE of THE FATHER

Adam sinned and had Cain and Abel and Cain killed Abel. Gen 4:8 God gave Eve another son Gen 4:25 to replace Abel. Then:

Gen 5:1 ¶ This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made He him;

God is an invisible Spirit and exists physically only in Jesus. To be created by God the Trinity (Elohim) is to be created Spiritually in Christ. Otherwise, we could never meet and speak with our first parents in Heaven.

Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called THEIR name Adam, in the day when they were created.

This verse is really interesting since it shows that Adam and Eve were born again Spiritually in Christ at the SAME time on the present 6th Day. ALL Adam's (mankind) who are created by God the Trinity on the present 6th Day, the Day of Salvation, will enter God's rest on the 7th Day, which is future to our time. Gen 2:1 God Bless you

HitchSlap · Jul 20, 2017

miknik5 said:
Is our DNA effected (but not necessarily manifested) by disease

You'll need to be a little more specific, here.

Subduction Zone · Jul 20, 2017

miknik5 said:
if man had become so corrupt that bestiality was a common occurrence, what would have happened to the genetic make up of man

Could this be a reason why we thought men evolved from apes?

Nothing. Past the point of complete speciation there is no more interbreeding. We cannot interbreed with other apes today.

Subduction Zone · Jul 20, 2017

miknik5 said:
They're not
They just brought forth young of mixed seed

Nope. Once again as speciation increases one would first find a continual decreasing of fertility between two groups. And then very limited fertility, as we see in tigers and lions when they interbreed. Then no fertility, as we see in almost all horse donkey interbreeding and then eventually no young produced between two organisms, even if they are related.

dad · Jul 20, 2017

Aman777 said:
Show us Scripturally that Adam's world had a Sun, Moon or Stars. You cannot.

You invented 'Adam's world'. THE world that was created and had Adam in it on day six had stars. They were for us to mark seasons and etc. They were made for US to see.

All you can do is show us the lighting of the first Stars on the 4th Day Gen 1:16 some one billion years AFTER the big bang, which happened late on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4

Why talk of the big bang and Genesis? You realize the big bang does not have any earth in the theory at all? You talk of Adam and a big bang..etc. You fit neither science nor the bible.

Jesus/Lamb is the Light of the 3rd Heaven Rev 21:23 which is the Multiverse which has water, into which Adam's firmament was placed,

Tossing around words you think are sciency like multiverse won't help you. There is no such word in the bible.

Gen 1:6-8 AND it also contains a world in the ground of the Multiverse, where it is eternally dark, and is filled with death.

Insane nonsense.

In the end, that terrible world/cosmos will be Burned.

Interjecting actual prophesy into your weird little made up patchwork under a lake world won't help you.

the present world will be totally destroyed and buried in the ground of the Multiverse.

Heaven help those prehistoric creatures Noah's kin had sex with eh?

Colter · Jul 20, 2017

miknik5 said:
John wasn't wrong
How do you think he understood the BRIDE to be?

John had opocolyptic thinking influenced by erroneous biblical prophecies. Jesus didn't destroy anything. Wait a minute, I was wrong, he turned over someone's table at the temple.

miknik5 · Jul 20, 2017

Aman777 said:
UnScriptural , but true according to ancient man's religious beliefs which do not agree with what mankind has learned in the past 3k years. Here's the conclusion of the teaching in context.

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is Spiritual, but that which is Natural; and afterward that which is Spiritual.

Adam was first made a living soul (Heb-being). He fell and became like ALL other men. After he was born again Spiritually, all things became NEW and he became like Jesus, a Spiritual Being, instead of a natural being. Jesus is NOT the second Adam, and could NOT be since Jesus is God and has NO beginning and NO end. God Bless you

Then you definitely will not like the fullness of what you truncated of 1 Corinthians 15 :

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man isthe Lord from heaven. 48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Your black text as an explanation of the blue text (which is GOD's WORD) falls very short if you do not provide in context the fullness of what GOD is saying by HIS WORD

miknik5 · Jul 20, 2017

And believe me, I am not confused who CHRIST is in relation to Adam

At all

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