Humans are animals...

[BananaSlug]

"Humans are animals". This seems to ignite a lot of arguments between scientists and creationists.

To all of the scientists, define the word "animal". Explain why humans fit this definition.

To all of the creationists, define the word "animal". Explain why humans do not fit this definition.

By all practical definitions, regardless of evolution, we are animals. If we are not animals then we are not vertebrates. If we are not animals, we definitely cannot be mammals. Would a creationist argue that humans are not mammals? If we are mammals then we are animals. If you want to make the argument that humans are not animals then you also need to deny the fact that humans are vertebrates, amniotes, mammals, etc.

(To the creationists)Are humans "mammals"? Why? If humans are mammals, how are we still not animals?

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Humans have a soul!

 

[tansy]

Well, it seems to me that we are anmals physically..but we are also more than that and have a different role and function in life from what might be termed 'lower' animals.
But, if one is an atheist, then one possibly views that slightly differently

 

[AV1611VET]

"Humans are animals". This seems to ignite a lot of arguments between scientists and creationists.

I'm not a TE, but I don't think they have a problem with that statement from a purely mundane perspective.

I don't consider myself a Homo sapiens, though; as I have what is called a sin nature --- passed down to me from Adam.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

I'm not a TE, but I don't think they have a problem with that statement from a purely mundane perspective.

I don't consider myself a Homo sapiens, though; as I have what is called a sin nature --- passed down to me from Adam.

Interestingly enough, there are some who consider themselves to be God.

 

[AV1611VET]

Interestingly enough, there are some who consider themselves to be God.

In view of the fact that the term means "wise man", I can see who.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

In view of the fact that the term means "wise man", I can see who.

I didn't say "wise man," AV, I said God. Unlike some on CF who resort to yoda-like semantics to intentionally obfuscate, I tend to say what I mean.

 

[AV1611VET]

I didn't say "wise man," AV, I said God. Unlike some on CF who resort to yoda-like semantics to intentionally obfuscate, I tend to say what I mean.

Then let me be equally straightforward.

If you (or anyone) considers yourselves a Homo sapiens, then you guys are considering yourselves a "wise man", which, according to the Bible, has the effect of turning some into atheists.

How? By professing yourselves to being Homo sapiens, you end up becoming atheists.

 

[BananaSlug]

Well, it seems to me that we are anmals physically..

That was what I was trying to get at. Nothing changes the fact that humans are animals. We are metazoan bilateral coelomates. We are also deuterostomial chordatal vertebrates just like we are tetrapodal synapsid theriodonts. And let us not forget our mammalian eutherial euarchontal ancestors, after all I am a descendent of haplorrhine simiiformal catarrhines! I love the fact I will always be a hominidial homininial hominid, as we all should be.

...but we are also more than that and have a different role and function in life from what might be termed 'lower' animals.

I agree.

But, if one is an atheist, then one possibly views that slightly differently

The only difference is that I do not need a deity to give my life meaning.

 

[BananaSlug]

In view of the fact that the term means "wise man", I can see who.

Funny thing about that. None of us proclaim to be wise. I might know a lot but I realize that there is the possibility I could be wrong. Every honest atheist and agnostic on here recognizes the fact we could be wrong. The only people making fools of themselves are the ones whose arguments are severely lacking in logic or make wild claims that are based in neither the Bible or testable science.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Funny thing about that. None of us proclaim to be wise. I might know a lot but I realize that there is the possibility I could be wrong. Every honest atheist and agnostic on here recognizes the fact we could be wrong. The only people making fools of themselves are the ones whose arguments are severely lacking in logic or make wild claims that are based in neither the Bible or testable science.

You are correct BS. Yet AV likes to throw this verse around whenever anyone disagrees with his personal theology.

 

[AV1611VET]

Funny thing about that. None of us proclaim to be wise.

Do you know what "Homo sapiens" means?

 

[BananaSlug]

Do you know what "Homo sapiens" means?

Sapiens, derived from sapient-
Sapience is often defined as wisdom, or the ability of an organism or entity to act with appropriate judgment. Judgment is a mental faculty which is a component of intelligence or alternatively may be considered an additional faculty, apart from intelligence, with its own properties. Displaying sound judgment in a complex, dynamic environment is a hallmark of wisdom.
Linnaeus had originally given humans the species name of diurnus, meaning man of the day. But he later decided that the dominating feature of humans was wisdom, hence application of the name sapiens. His chosen biological name was intended to emphasize man's uniqueness and separation from the rest of the animal kingdom.

"Sentience" and "self-awareness" are similar terms.

Though I do think "sapient" is a poor term to describe humans, (other animals seem to be capable of judgment as well), and many other animals also display self-awareness (chimpanzees, dolphins). I think a better term for modern humans would be Homo siccus (Thirsty Man), due to our neverending quest to satisfy our thirst for knowledge.

In other words, your argument in built upon sand.

 

[SithDoughnut]

Do you know what "Homo sapiens" means?

What name would you prefer we use for our species? It was not chosen by us lot here.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Sapiens, derived from sapient-
Sapience is often defined as wisdom, or the ability of an organism or entity to act with appropriate judgment. Judgment is a mental faculty which is a component of intelligence or alternatively may be considered an additional faculty, apart from intelligence, with its own properties. Displaying sound judgment in a complex, dynamic environment is a hallmark of wisdom.
Linnaeus had originally given humans the species name of diurnus, meaning man of the day. But he later decided that the dominating feature of humans was wisdom, hence application of the name sapiens. His chosen biological name was intended to emphasize man's uniqueness and separation from the rest of the animal kingdom.

"Sentience" and "self-awareness" are similar terms.

Though I do think "sapient" is a poor term to describe humans, (other animals seem to be capable of judgment as well), and many other animals also display self-awareness (chimpanzees, dolphins). I think a better term for modern humans would be Homo siccus (Thirsty Man), due to our neverending quest to satisfy our thirst for knowledge.

In other words, your argument in built upon sand.

Oooooh, ouch.




pwned

 

[AV1611VET]

In other words, your argument in built upon sand.

Oh, my argument is built on sand because you think we should be called Homo siccus?

I don't think so.

Like I said, professing yourselves to be wise (or sentient, or whatever you want to telephone it to), some became atheists.

 

[AV1611VET]

What name would you prefer we use for our species? It was not chosen by us lot here.

I'd say Homo sapiens fits you guys to a tee --- (I really would).

Charles Linnaeus must have had some sense of humor, eh?

 

[SithDoughnut]

I'd say Homo sapiens fits you guys to a tee --- (I really would).

Don't forget, you're part of the same species - you're a member of the Homo Sapiens species too.

 

[AV1611VET]

Don't forget, you're part of the same species - you're a member of the Homo Sapiens species too.

Bologna.

Don't put me in there with Homo.

I'll do what Moses did and refuse to be called the son of [Magilla Gorilla].

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Don't forget, you're part of the same species - you're a member of the Homo Sapiens species too.

AV Pluto'd himself.