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This is just another assertion. Humans are not explicitly bad or good by default but we do have the tendency for good and the societal structure established to encourage it.If you believe that you're good you are deluded.
Humans are not explicitly bad or good by default
but we do have the tendency for good
What does that have to do with humanism?
eudaimonia,
Mark
That we can be good, not that we are to be inherently labelled as good at birth.
Yes.You said that we have a tendency toward good. Is this what you meant to say?
Yes.
We also have a tendency to do bad. The secular first-world fortunately includes societies that tries as much as it can to reward good behaviour and punish bad behaviour.Well let me rephrase then. If you believe that humans have a tendency toward good you are deluded.
See this is said often. Suppose I stopped locking my door for a month.Do you lock your doors?
We also have a tendency to do bad. The secular first-world fortunately includes societies that tries as much as it can to reward good behaviour and punish bad behaviour.
See this is said often. Suppose I stopped locking my door for a month.
What do you think the chances of my burglary would be? Would they go up? Would anyone know that I'd have locked my door? Do you think that people go around all the time constantly checking doors to see if they're open so they can steal stuff?
I find it comes naturally. I have a natural feeling of contempt towards those who I perceive to be doing wrong and natural tendency to judge actions I believe to be wrong.
Why do you think those laws exist in the first place? Why do you think most people seem to feel a repulsion for those they think do bad? If we are as bad as you think then why would we even have come this far?I agree. We have laws to try to restrain evil but I think this only makes it more obvious that humans are messed up. The very fact that laws are necessary testifies to the fact that we are not inclined toward good.
That we can be drawn to doing good or doing bad. Interestingly enough, and I have observed this in the religious mostly, that few people do evil for reasons of malice but do it because they are convinced it is righteous.What do you mean that we have two tendencies? How is that possible?
Yes, they do. Not my point though.Locks exist for a reason.
So you have no natural feeling towards people who you judge are committing evil?
You feel no guilt when you think you have done wrong or no indignation at witnessing others malpractice?
Why do you think those laws exist in the first place?
Why do you think most people seem to feel a repulsion for those they think do bad?
If we are as bad as you think then why would we even have come this far?
That we can be drawn to doing good or doing bad.
Interestingly enough, and I have observed this in the religious mostly, that few people do evil for reasons of malice but do it because they are convinced it is righteous.
This is a non-answer. This is like saying "just because." That the world by in large has legislation against anti-social behaviour should tell you that humanity puts more worth on good than you think.brightlights said:Laws exist because they must.
How do you know this isn't projection? I am sure this kind of pride might surface sometimes in some people but it certainly is not remotely true for all judgements of evil.Because they think they're better than them.
This answer is white noise to me.Grace.
Societal influence and pressure as well as educational background and belief system. Probably much more influences as well.What makes it go one way or the other?
As ugly as I find people who promote evil thinking it is good there's a certain point here: No-one (or very few) do evil for the purposes of evil. Many think they are entirely justified. They are in their own minds doing what they see as good.I agree. The way of man seems right in his own eyes.
Presumed is the key word.
Well let me rephrase then. If you believe that humans have a tendency toward good you are deluded.
Do you lock your doors?
Do you find it difficult to be good or does it come naturally?
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