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If humans and apes are related, in the way evolution claims, why is our intelligence completely different instead of by simple gradation? And, why is there no innate concern for the well-being of apes like we have for other unfortunate humans? If the connection is in our very fabric, then why is there no real connection?
 

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I think we are much more concerned about apes than our fellow man. There are few poor, homeless apes, without health insurance.
 
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If humans and apes are related, in the way evolution claims, why is our intelligence completely different instead of by simple gradation? And, why is there no innate concern for the well-being of apes like we have for other unfortunate humans? If the connection is in our very fabric, then why is there no real connection?

What now? When was the last time other apes fought in a war with each other and killed thousands? Oh, that's right, never. What innate concern are you and your fellow right wing Christians showing the asylum seekers again?

"innate concern". Lol. Active dislike and hatred more like.
 
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If humans and apes are related, in the way evolution claims, why is our intelligence completely different instead of by simple gradation? And, why is there no innate concern for the well-being of apes like we have for other unfortunate humans? If the connection is in our very fabric, then why is there no real connection?
Whddayamean no connection we act like apes. basically the biggest difference is the fact that we’ve evolved to truly cooperate with each other . The other apes haven’t quite figured that out. It’s not big brains ,all mammals have larger brains than they need . It’s not our bipedalism . other species have gone bipedal . It’s not our hands a lot of the Rodentia have pretty functional hands . The bald skin is a side effect of being long distance runners . It was a lucky combination of all of the above and the fact that as a species we tend to be generalists which mean we can thrive in a variety of environments but so can Black rats and the housemouse
 
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What now? When was the last time other apes fought in a war with each other and killed thousands? Oh, that's right, never. What innate concern are you and your fellow right wing Christians showing the asylum seekers again?
"innate concern". Lol. Active dislike and hatred more like.
Different thread and wrong assumption altogether, but I think I can wring a point out of it... most intelligent people incorporate an innate concern for fellow humans in distress, the more intelligent using common sense measures like only emergency help immediately, then evaluation of the situation, planning, determining how best to assist in a situation within your means, etc. (like President Trump is doing with the many complex problems in the world today). I’m not saying apes aren’t intelligent, because they are, but does that kind of human forethought appear to be a mere gradation of ape intelligence? And, would an ape give up food to other apes... maybe, or did we develop that concern, or are we inherently different? Just asking?
 
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I think we are much more concerned about apes than our fellow man. There are few poor, homeless apes, without health insurance.
Indeed.

And how concerned are those White Supremacist humans concerned about the welfare of blacks? How concerned were the WW2 Nazis about the welfare of their Jewish neighbors?

I would say both groups were more concerned with the welfare of cats and dogs than they were/are their fellow mam.
 
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Different thread and wrong assumption altogether, but I think I can wring a point out of it... most intelligent people incorporate an innate concern for fellow humans in distress, the more intelligent using common sense measures like only emergency help immediately, then evaluation of the situation, planning, determining how best to assist in a situation within your means, etc. (like President Trump is doing with the many complex problems in the world today). I’m not saying apes aren’t intelligent, because they are, but does that kind of human forethought appear to be a mere gradation of ape intelligence? And, would an ape give up food to other apes... maybe, or did we develop that concern, or are we inherently different? Just asking?
You need to be more particular when talking about "apes" because you are clearly referring to some modern species. "Apes" are not a single modern species but a family to which humans belong.
 
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That's no fun... :)

LOL, we had the discussion of evolution when I first joined CF :). Interesting discussion, so I definitely will follow this thread.
 
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I'm not totally sure we can or cannot believe in evolution. I'm personally staying in the middle on this one :)
Nobody should "believe" in evolution. The best thing is to study it and decide whether or not to accept it as a scientific theory.
 
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You need to be more particular when talking about "apes" because you are clearly referring to some modern species. "Apes" are not a single modern species but a family to which humans belong.
So, are you saying we developed compassion and forethought concerning other's dire situations?
 
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If humans and apes are related, in the way evolution claims, why is our intelligence completely different instead of by simple gradation? And, why is there no innate concern for the well-being of apes like we have for other unfortunate humans? If the connection is in our very fabric, then why is there no real connection?
Evolution does not claim that intelligence should be gradated - that is solely your claim. I suspect this comes from your thinking that humans are the culmination of evolution so far, when that simply isn't so. Humans, gorillas, gibbons, chimpanzees and all our ape cousins have all been evolving at the same time; none of us are really "further along" - much as we pride ourselves in our being.

Human intelligence is gradated in that some are severely disabled, some merely not too bright, most average, and a few brilliant. Gorilla intelligence is suited for gorilla survival, not for survival in human society.
 
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Evolution does not claim that intelligence should be gradated - that is solely your claim. Human intelligence is gradated in that some are severely disabled, some merely not too bright, most average, and a few brilliant. Gorilla intelligence is suited for gorilla survival, not for survival in human society.
So, are you saying we developed compassion and forethought concerning other's dire situations?
 
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