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So God purposefully created a sinful race?
Wow. Seriously??You want something to "Wow. Seriously."?
Wow. Seriously. this:
In my opinion? It was meant as food for the angels - not us.
Yeah, he can keep a massive, balsa wood ark afloat, filled with 2 of every "kind" of animal, but he can't keep two people away from a tree - that has no reason for being there in the first place.
Had God have kept the tree from Adam and Eve's grasp, then later, when they had children, and one of them eventually reached the tree and ate of the fruit, I contend that we would have two races of people living today: a sinless race and a sinful race.For someone with that much power, keeping two billion people away from the tree wouldn't be any harder than keeping two people away from the tree, or any easier than keeping 200bn people away.I don't have time to address this right now, but try (emphasis on try) to understand how making Adam (not any of his offspring) the federal head of a sinful human race was the best way to go.
And I'll address this later.
"If you can't be bothered to read it, then don't ask questions about things that are answered in the link."
No, I did not bother to read the link, because it was not from some one who even shares the same religion as me
; so, why would I bother reading the link? I am more than a little baffled as to why all of you non-Christians are on a CHRISTIAN site in the first place! Does any one else find this strange?
Abstract
A pedological investigation at Göbekli Tepe, a Pre-Pottery Neolithic (PPN) site in the northern Fertile Crescent (southeastern Turkey), was undertaken to gain a better understanding of its chronology and paleoenvironments. A catena at the southern slope of the central mound suggests that complex pedosedimentary processes took place at the surface of the mound after the abandonment of the site. Soil formation resulted in a markedly dark Ah horizon and a Bk horizon with secondary carbonate accumulations; both hold promise as sources of chronological and paleoecological information. Three fossil Ah horizons from the PPN period were found within the fill. One of them provided a 14C age of 8880 ± 60 yr B.P. (on humic acids) that may approximate the time of abandonment. 14C dating of the oldest microlamina of pedogenic carbonate gave two new dates: 7450 ± 80 yr B.P. for a PPNB context and 6405 ± 70 yr B.P. for a post-PPNB context. These dates have to be considered as well-estimated minimum ages of the contexts.
No, no, silly. He created a Perfect Race, who fell almost immediately into Sin because they had the Free Will to do so. Kinda like Donald Rumsfield when he said that "being free means you are free to do bad things."
Or, as has been pointed out, God could have maximized the benefit for all eternity by not creating the tree in the first place. You still haven't addressed my post.But by allowing the very first man, Adam, to fall into sin, this made Adam the federal head of the entire human race, and Jesus would only have to die once on the cross for all of mankind.
That's a great way to never learn anything. Only read those things which agree with your view and you'll always be right. It must feel good to be you.No, I did not bother to read the link, because it was not from some one who even shares the same religion as me; so, why would I bother reading the link?
Paul said that to early Christians about making pagan sacrifices and eating things previously considered "unclean." What does that have to do with God's reasons for creating a perfect race and/or mankind's free will?1 Corinthians 10:23
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
Countering everything with "God didn't have to do it that way" isn't an effective counter.Or, as has been pointed out, God could have maximized the benefit for all eternity by not creating the tree in the first place.
Countering everything with "God Did It" isn't an effective argument either. Do you or do you not believe that God can do - literally - anything?Countering everything with "God didn't have to do it that way" isn't an effective counter.
CoderHead said:OK, in your opinion, angels live on their homes - the stars. So why, for the love of Pete, would God set a tree intended as food for the angels (who live on the stars, remember) in the middle of a garden on Earth inhabited by humans?
The fact that some 'Christian' churches have crossed over to ignore the biblical account of creation is something I cannot understand. If you don't believe in the very foundation of the bible, why do you believe anything in it at all? If creation isn't true, then neither is anything else in the Scriptures, or at least the teachers therein are not fully trustworthy. Christianity means to follow Christ, not to pick and choose what he said that you'll believe, though that is what many people who believe themselves to be Christians today do.
Countering everything with "God didn't have to do it that way" isn't an effective counter.
It points out that if a human can think of a way to do things better, when god can not or did not, then god fails as a perfect being.
Countering everything with "God didn't have to do it that way" isn't an effective counter.
Here, here! Good for you. Let it not be said that creationists never apologize here.Hi, 'laconicstudent'! Yeah, I am back, and I will explain myself. Well, here it goes: 'I am a jerk!' There, that pretty much explains all you need to know about me! LOL Seriously, though, I have been quite rude and disrespectful to some of you on here.
Firstly, to you 'laconicstudent': I should have checked your faith icon before I went on that rant about you not even having the same religion!
To 'Sanguis': I was quite rude to you in my rant about 'I am not going to take lip from some Atheist', etc.; man, I am sorry about that! I never should have said that to you. You have as much right to your beliefs and opinions as we all do, and I did not respect that; I was quick to judge you, I was rude, and I was disrespectful to you; and I am sorry.
To 'CoderHead': I know you must think that I am a holier-than-thou, pompous jerk - and, you would be right! That is what I have been acting like lately. I need to learn to be more respectful toward others and their opinions.
Look, I do not think that I am better than any one else - I am a sinful, fallen man - I screw up, I make mistakes, I fall into sin, et cetera; I am certainly no better than any body else! The two of you who are Atheists probably already have a poor view of Christianity and Christians in general, and I am sure that my actions have probably only reinforced your negative views. I have not acted in a loving, Christ-like manner, as I should do as a man who claims to be a Christian. I have behaved like a jerk and I am sorry! I promise I will not behave in this manner again.
Countering everything with "God didn't have to do it that way" isn't an effective counter.
God gave us the Bible, Thaumaturgy, and as the saying goes, if we don't act on the parts we do understand, why should we be asking for the parts we don't understand?The least He could do is explain the whole game to us.
God gave us the Bible, Thaumaturgy, and as the saying goes, if we don't act on the parts we do understand, why should we be asking for the parts we don't understand?
That's like someone who won't acknowledge mathematics wanting to learn algebra.
The Bible is sufficient to do what It does:The Bible is insufficient to the task.
You claimed you were saved at one point, but you didn't heed V14, did you?2 Timothy 3:14-15 said:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
As I have pointed out before, the crux of the entire Bible is:IF, however, the All-Loving omnipotent God really wanted the information out there in the most crystal clear means available he surely could do it such that all would know.
19 one-syllable words that even a child can understand.1 John 5:12 said:He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
What if a mathematician had that attitude about the Bible that scientists had?Otherwise creationists and biblical literalists wouldn't have to resort ad nauseam to "God's ways are mysterious" or "God did this" as answers/justifications!
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