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☦Marius☦

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I am curious to know how you feel about the fact that every early church leader, martyr, and writer who was part of the church of the apostles, backs up the Orthodox opinion on these things. I read these men's writings and I see my exact beliefs, beliefs you apparently disagree with.

So tell me this? IF these men, who were killed for their faith, and all those for the 1800 years before your specific denominations popped up (non denomination is in itself included in this), then I suppose the Church is a complete failure and all the first through third century martyrs died for a false belief system. Do you seriously think that the men who studied directly under the apostles didn't understand their teachings as much as you?
 
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And, many fail to find truth. Instead, they seek a system that appeals to their own liking, sir. You found yours.
 
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Philippians 2:12
Consequently, my beloved ones, just as you have always obeyed, not only during my presence but now much more readily during my absence, keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.


What does that mean to you?
 
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How is he saying that isn't so? Keeping oneself from being polluted from the world can mean all kinds of things. Remember the cleanliness laws of the OT? Would that also not apply? Did Christ not keep the Judaic traditions as well as the apostles? Did any of them break the Law? Was Paul not a proud Pharisee until his death boldly claiming he kept the fullness of the Law? So tell me how the early church, who taught in the synagogues, somehow managed to also completely remove themselves from Judaic Traditions and Religion, while also somehow keeping the fullness of the Law?

Orthodoxy itself was just the Jewish tradition modified after the Christians were kicked out of the synagogues. And to improve gentile understanding.
 
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What does that mean to you?
Exactly what it says. Feel free to comment on the other verses as well since they say various other things disproving "once saved always saved."
 
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You hush with your evangelical nonsense, your on ignore. I don't need to deal with lies anymore
 
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And, many fail to find truth. Instead, they seek a system that appeals to their own liking, sir. You found yours.
Yes, I found the grace of the Church that kept me from killing myself over the depression given to me by being brought up in a system of lies. Do you know how much mental illness and apostasy has been caused by Protestantism and evangelical movements?
You hush with your evangelical nonsense, your on ignore. I don't need to deal with lies anymore
You may as well get used to it, there are hundreds of them on this forum. He will simply see it as you "blocking out the truth" or something.
 
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You may as well get used to it, there are hundreds of them on this forum. He will simply see it as you "blocking out the truth" or something.

Very true.

On edit: It boggles my mind the lies and heresies allowed on the forums
 
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Either way I think this thread should be closed. Its gone far past bearing any fruit and we will only keep butting heads getting ever more worked up. All this other stuff is off topic anyway. Why people from churches without Bishops are even involved in the discussion is beyond me.
 
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I hate to say it, because it was really informative before the descent of "those who know better because they just do", but I have to agree with our Eastern Orthodox friend Marius. This is something of a nightmare, or at least a shame. Coulda been a good thread all the way through.

This is why we can't have nice things.

I'll see you all on the congregational forums and the Traditional Theology subforum, where shenanigans like what has gone on here are not expected to be welcome or given equal footing with those who can scripturally and patristically support what they say.
 
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As I said, we must have fake churches if you're right.
 
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Edit: That cat does not look very positive...positively terrified, maybe...
I bet Taylor so positively reeks of red flags that even a cat is terrified
 
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How is he saying that isn't so? Keeping oneself from being polluted from the world can mean all kinds of things. Remember the cleanliness laws of the OT? Would that also not apply?

So they were supposed to go to the temple to be purified? That is what the Law prescribed. A woman having her period would have to be ceremonially cleansed afterwards?

And on the eighth day she shall take two turtledoves or two pigeons
and bring them to the priest, to the entrance of the tent of meeting.
Lev 15:29


How were the Gentile believers ever to do that if we are to believe your claim about cleanliness?? What about the church told they can eat any foods now, but the Law saw them as unclean? How can that work with your scenario? Looks like .... you just made something up, with that. Didn't you? Its not well thought out. You seem to not understand the cleanliness laws.


Did Christ not keep the Judaic traditions as well as the apostles?

Yes... before the church age began they were all living as Jews should under the Law.




Paul was almost murdered in the Temple because the Jews heard how Paul was teaching we were no longer to live under the Law. Acts 21:27-30.

When is the last time you read your Bible?
 
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Tempting as it is to reply to some of these statements, if you've noticed we have decided to close this debate. If you want to open another thread about this other topic than do so.

I will say though that you misunderstood the point I was making.
 
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