Subduction Zone
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You are making the mistake of assuming that the Bible is the word of God.
Most Bible scholars believe that Moses was a fiction too, at least as the writer of the pentateuch.
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Um....God spoke directly to Moses. At the burning bush and elsewhere. God directed him what to write. Jesus even pointed to Moses' writings as the word of God. It's all there in black and white.
I think your argument is with God, not with us.
Jesus considered it history and the Jews regard it as history. If you bothered to read Moses' writings you will see where he got it from. God was the eyewitness. God spoke directly to Moses and other prophets.
Now you can choose not to believe what is claimed in writing or believe it. The written historical, eyewitness words remain the same.
Agreed.
And what does the answer tell you? How does dividing by 910 determine fitness?
That's a gross oversimplification of what happens in reality. As an example, a mutation which slightly increases a zebra's leg length might make it run faster and thus be able to escape from a lion, but it also makes it more likely to break it's leg.
Curious - how have you set it up to simulate how some individuals are so unfit that they do not survive long enough to reproduce?
What was the final population? ANd this is still a great oversimplification. But still interesting and demonstrates a nice point.
You said it took a few thousand generations to develop a perfect critter. How long does it take without the sex analogy in place?
I don´t know what a "naturalistic process" is (AFAIK processes don´t hold worldviews).Interesting. Were you taught that solely naturalistic processes created humanity from a single life form of many many years ago?
In science class? Like...what, for example?Or were there other impetuses introduced for the creation of humanity other than solely naturalistic processes?
Interesting. Were you taught that solely naturalistic processes created humanity from a single life form of many many years ago?
I don´t know what a "naturalistic process" is (AFAIK processes don´t hold worldviews).
Now, science classes are about natural facts and processes. Non-natural processes (whatever that may be) are not the subject of science. That´s how the Jesuits handled it, as well.
Or were there other impetuses introduced for the creation of humanity other than solely naturalistic processes?
In science class? Like...what, for example?
As I said, we were introduced to metaphysical ideas in comparative religion and philosophy classes - where they belong.
I remember that they even taught us how to tear "god proofs" (cosmological argument, ontological argument etc.) apart. These Jesuit fellow (even though, as persons, pretty weird and freakish in many departments) were at least an intellectually honest bunch.
I first learned about evolution when I was eight and Dr. Francis Collins spoke about it at our church. He described God's creation as beautiful, intricate, awe-inspiring, and majestic, evolution as a wonderfully providential act.
I'm a 16-year-old rising senior at an independent private 7-12 school that teaches evolution beginning in the 8th grade without any religious concepts intertwined into it, and I've enjoyed the classes. They have enforced my belief in theistic evolution. I don't have any room in my schedule for another lab science this upcoming school year so I'm currently taking Evolution, Ecology, and Biodiversity at UCLA for dual enrollment (high school and college credit). I tried pasting a link to the course description but since I'm a newbie here I'm getting an error message that I have to remove the link.
The sermon with Dr. Francis when I was a kid helped to create a foundational belief of science and my faith being in harmony with one another. All the classes I've had thus far that have taught evolution have just enhanced my faith rather than detract from it. I'm young and purposefully being malleable, so there's most definitely a chance that my views will evolve (bad pun intended) but at the moment I'm still totally at peace.
The correct term is "natural processes", not "naturalistic processes".Solely naturalistic processes consider only those impetuses which occur naturally in nature for the creation of all life from a single life form of long long ago.
And I respond again: In science class I was told about natural processes (because anything else doesn´t belong in science classes).I ask again, were you taught that solely naturalistic processes created humanity from a single life form of many many years ago?
In science class, none but natural processes were taught.Yes, that's what I was asking. If something other than a solely naturalistic process for the creation of humanity was taught, what was it?
Now, Austria and Northern Germany are worlds apart.Nice. I was born in Austria. Very rusty on my German though.
Nice. I was born in Austria. Very rusty on my German though.
Now, Austria and Northern Germany are worlds apart.
What got you to Australia?
My grandparents were from Germany. My dad was born here in the US though.
My great, great grandfather was from Germany. Came over here by boat. Most of my family is German as there are many in my area. I am German and a bit of Irish.
May I ask you the same question I asked someone earlier?
Were you taught that solely naturalistic processes created humanity from a single life form of many many years ago?
It hasn't been summarized precisely that way in the science classes I've taken at school, but yep, that's the gist of it. In the UCLA class I'm taking now we're learning that life most likely originally evolved from non-living materials on the planet, like strands of nucleic acids that could catalyze some chemical reactions and had the blueprint for their own reproduction.
I can't remember precisely what Dr. Collins said about the origins of life except that God created and oversaw the process and it was compatible with scientific findings. I was 8 at the time so I don't have a perfect recollection of what he taught.
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