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Why teach that naturalistic mechanisms are sufficient in and of themselves, needing nothing else, to create humanity from a single life form from long long ago? Don't teach any form of creationism.
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I agree completely with justlookinla. Similarities doesn't mean evolution.
The evidence for evolution is supposed to be repeatable and observable but above you are using the word "suggests". That is the same as assuming.
Not quite. When they invoke God they are not modifying the scientific theory, they are expressing a metaphysical position. The theory remains unchanged.
What are they adding? does every creation myth add to evolution or only your creation myth?Yes they are changing it. They're adding to it.
And do you happen to have a scientific answer?I'd still have the question of what was providing the impetus.
If a big asteroid hits the earth tomorrow and destroyed it what good would impetus or reason do any of us?I'd still have the question of what was providing the impetus.
If a big asteroid hits the earth tomorrow and destroyed it what good would impetus or reason do any of us?
The Black Death nearly did for the human race in Europe but evolution saved our bacon, how? because evolution makes sure that we are all different with different resistances to disease.
That's not evolution.
Why teach that naturalistic mechanisms are sufficient in and of themselves, needing nothing else, to create humanity from a single life form from long long ago? Don't teach any form of creationism.
Yes they are changing it. They're adding to it.
I believe at some point in the past, there was no humanity. I believe that humanity now exists. The issue is how, by what means, was humanity created from non-humanity, specifically a single life form which existed long long ago. Wrap it in whatever word or phrase you wish, it's creationism.
Don't teach creationism in science class. Drop Darwinism. Eliminate it.
That doesn't preclude the teaching of evolution though. It simply eliminates a faith-based atheistic creationist teaching from the classroom. If it's science, teach it, if not, drop it.
If one claims that all of life, including humanity, is created by an impetus which is totally, completely, solely sufficient in and of itself, nothing else needed, nothing else allowed, the one explanation is true, then there is no possibility allowed or permitted for supernatural influence.
DerelictJunction said:Let's assume that you mean in the U.S. public school system.
Since a creationist viewpoint is not being taught in any U.S. public school system, then none of that is being taught.
Do you have evidence that it is being taught?
This thread is proof that it is.
Imagine...you actually typed that!!!justlookinla said:More blah blah blah blah, and blah blah blah blah. Typing empty claims isn't evidence.
And do you happen to have a scientific answer?
OK I have an alternate way for us to look at your question. Regardless of the idea of evolution, we know that human beings are born following sex and the merging of sperm with egg and development in the shelter of the womb.
Now that the human race has gotten started doing it that way, is this subsequent reproduction due entirely to naturalistic means, or is there some miraculous element involved?
What are they adding? does every creation myth add to evolution or only your creation myth?
You have been sold a pup and you know it.
If a big asteroid hits the earth tomorrow and destroyed it what good would impetus or reason do any of us?
The Black Death nearly did for the human race in Europe but evolution saved our bacon, how? because evolution makes sure that we are all different with different resistances to disease.
That's not evolution.
Did you ever plan on providing evidence that U.S. public schools are teaching this "atheistic creationism"?They're adding, and changing, the inherently atheistic creationist view that all of life, including humanity, is the creation of solely, only, totally, completely naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago.
If you wish to embrace the atheistic creationist myth, that's your choice. Christians don't.
That you don't understand how evolution works is already obvious to us. You don't have continue to provide a detailed map of the bounds of your ignorance.Darwinist creationism didn't create non-humans from humans during the Black Death, did it? Of course not.
God designed healing, to a point, in us. I'm sure you've experienced it but are totally ignorant of it.
Evasion. I didn't ask you that. I asked in general terms how you would teach evolution evolution in a way that doesn't invoke supernatural influences but also doesn't present natural mechanisms as sufficient. You can't give a straight answer to this, can you?
As are you. A christian learns the evolutionary mechanisms that produce our biota and assumes that God put them in place. You see those same mechanisms and assume that they indicate that God isn't allowed. The real problem is that you don't believe evolution happened at all, so there is no way to teach it that would satisfy you.
Avoiding the point. You don't actually believe in evolution, even divinely ordained and sustained evolution.
You don't believe that birds arose from dinosaurs or whales evolved from terrestrial ancestors whether by God's hand or not. You have already admitted this. So you really don't want evolution taught at all.
Again, please provide a direct answer for once. How you would teach evolution evolution in a way that doesn't invoke supernatural influences but also doesn't present natural mechanisms as sufficient?
That is not a response to the point I made. There's no evidence that refutes the possibility of supernatural influence because no such influence could be detected scientifically. Do you agree that supernatural influence is beyond the scope of science? (Cue evasive response).
Did you ever plan on providing evidence that U.S. public schools are teaching this "atheistic creationism"?
So far, you haven't even produce a bit of evidence that evolution is being taught much less this delusional monstrosity of yours.
That you don't understand how evolution works is already obvious to us. You don't have continue to provide a detailed map of the bounds of your ignorance.
Black death: Some died, some got sick, but didn't die, and a scant few did not get sick even though they were exposed. The differences in the characteristics of each individual, caused different reactions to the disease organism.
The Black Death was the vector of natural selection resulting a change in the allele frequency Black Death resistance within the human population. It created a slightly different human species.
The reasons I continue to request this are that the belief that such teaching is occurring is the hinge pin of your discussion, and you have not provided any evidence supporting the truth of your assertion.Go waste someone else's time.
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