How We Detect Design

[bhsmte]

Ummmm........I dunno?

It's tough one, I know. Think about it and get back with me.

 

[MikeEnders]

Indeed. Cthulhu would be pleased.

Good go spread your wings and do thou likewise

 

[MikeEnders]

It's tough one, I know.

Not really. I was trying to make you feel like you had company in the "I dunno" department. I felt it was the Christian thing to do

 

[bhsmte]

Not really. I was trying to make you feel like you had company. I felt it was the Christian thing to do

Tell me about Christians. What sort of behavior would one expect from a good Christian?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Do you accept it or not? I am asking you.

You have asked me this before. I have said I don't know, there is evidence that supports common descent.

Lemme guess, you won't answer the question.

I've answered multiple times to you alone.

I gave you those papers and explained what the solutions are.

No you didn't.

You need several different models in order to have a nested hierarchy. A single species does not a nested hierarchy make.

This is really not an issue for me. I don't really care if the example I showed you is accurate or not. It was produced by Dr. Tim M. Berra is Professor Emeritus of Evolution, I figured he would be a good source for the material.

So you have no problem with IC systems evolving?

Evolution alone, I have a problem with.

My argument is proven by your inability to produce an explanation. As I said, there is no reason why God would create separate species so that they fall into a nested hierarchy. The fact that you can't name a reason is my proof.

You haven't provided the proof of your claim that ID wouldn't produce a nested hierarchy.

The fact that you can't show why it would is all the proof I need.

You haven't provided a feasible reason that ID wouldn't produce it.

 

[MikeEnders]

Tell me about Christians. What sort of behavior would one expect from a good Christian?

Well seeing how you are soooo mindful of the topic of this thread I'm make it quick. the word Christian refers to follower of Christ so if you put on the the thinking cap you should expect behavior that Christ might or did do in the this section of the Bible called the New testament. get cracking starts in Matthew ends in revelation.Bare in mind when you get to it we generally don't do the "whips" made of chords thing but then again.....you never know.

So be careful out there!!

 

[bhsmte]

Well seeing how you are soooo mindfull of the topic of this thread I'm make it quick. the word Christian refers to follower of Christ so if you put on the the thinking cap you should expect behaviour that Christ might or did do in the this section of the Bible called the New testament. get cracking starts in Matthew ends in revelation.

Quite familiar with the NT, I tend to find few Christians follow it well though.

 

[MikeEnders]

Quite familiar with the NT, I tend to find few Christians follow it well though.

they don't have anything to worry about though.........an atheist's opinion of "well" is hardly binding....Says so right there in the bible

 

[bhsmte]

they don't have anything to worry about though.........an atheist's opinion of "well" is hardly binding....Says so right there in the bible

Well, they got that going for them.

 

[MikeEnders]

Well, they got that going for them.

Glad you got that straightened out in your mind then now um back to detecting ID in the genome and the origin of life you wanted us to talk more deeply about.

 

[bhsmte]

Glad you got that straightened out in your mind then now um back to detecting ID in the genome and the origin of life you wanted us to talk more deeply about.

Did I say I wanted to talk about the origin of life? I must have missed that one.

Now that we are done with that, let's "detect" this pesky ID stuff.

 

[MikeEnders]

"Now that we are done with that, let's "detect" this pesky ID stuff."

one and the same... How could we possibly move on after such a great example of design detection. complex, doesn't have a brain of its own but stores and processes information in logical sequence.

Detecting design in DNA is a match made in welll.....heaven... How can we move on from it? Its just tooooo good a fit for this thread

 

[SkyWriting]

Where are the arrows for a supernatural cause for life?

I cover that.
Special Creation ------------>Entropy--------------------------->>>> Heat Death: The Ultimate Fate of Our Universe

 

[SkyWriting]

Now that we are done with that, let's "detect" this pesky ID stuff.

The existence of information requires an intelligence to design it.
At its most fundamental, information is any propagation of cause and effect within a system.

 

[bhsmte]

"Now that we are done with that, let's "detect" this pesky ID stuff."

one and the same... How could we possibly move on after such a great example of design detection. complex, doesn't have a brain of its own but stores and processes information in logical sequence.

Detecting design in DNA is a match made in welll.....heaven... How can we move on from it? Its just tooooo good a fit for this thread

Well, maybe you should have been on the stand in the Dover trial and we would have ID in science class.

Wouldn't that be something.

 

[bhsmte]

The existence of information requires an intelligence to design it.
At its most fundamental, information is any propagation of cause and effect within a system.

How do we detect this designer?

Can you tell us how this designer pulled off this work?

Can you show us a test to detect design, that is falsifiable?

 

[bhsmte]

Better. I can give you an illustration - DNA. You know one of the basic building blocks of life. You know what I was talking about before - the beginning of life



Better - anything that can't be shown rationally (not imaginatively) to be derived by natural processes like the complexibility of DNA and umm the origin of LIFE as I was discussing before.

Now that I have answered your question your turn

Do you have a workable provable model of abiogenesis and the Origin of LIFE

Forget to mention, how exactly is this a test to detect design, that is falsifiable?

Define "rationally" shown to be derived by natural processes?

Do you think science has exhausted all means to discover what natural processes are capable of and no further discoveries will ever be made?

 

[SkyWriting]

400 years ago, there was no evidence that matter was made up of atoms. Are you sure you want to base your beliefs on a gap in our knowledge?

Yes, there was.
It is said that the properties of the largest structures in the Cosmos
have properties that are mirrored by the smallest structures in our world.

Everyone could see that things large things were made of parts.
They should have deduced that the smallest things would be made of parts.
Sadly, scientists refuse to believe in things they can't prove and so failed
to predict that everything has smaller components.

 

[SkyWriting]

How do we detect this designer?
Can you tell us how this designer pulled off this work?
Can you show us a test to detect design, that is falsifiable?

That cannot be done because the source is supernatural.
Science says energy cannot be produced from nothing
yet here we are.

 

[bhsmte]

That cannot be done because the source is supernatural.
Science says energy cannot be produced from nothing
yet here we are.

Yep, here we are.