How to spot the Devil

SabbathBlessings · Jun 24, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
What commandments are you referring to...?

God Bless!

Jesus never did away with any of God's commandments and even referred directly to God's ten when asked a similar question.

Mathew 19: 16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

Contrary to what is being taught today Jesus did not have a different will or set of commandments than God. As stated by Jesus:

John 14:24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.

Navair2 · Jun 24, 2021

Sidon said:
The devil is real.
Believe it.

I know it first-hand, having met him many times in my travels in this life.

Sidon said:
His ministers are "ministers of RIGHTEOUSNESS">
What does that mean?
It means they talk about God and Christ and teach works, law and commandment keeping, in place of God's "gift of Salvation".

I agree.
They teach that salvation is anything other than the totally unmerited gift that it is, freely given and freely received.

Sidon said:
What does that mean.?
It means that the Devil's ministers, FAKE FRUIT.
They FAKE Christianity.
See that?

What I see is the Scriptures teaching us that we shall know them by their fruits...
Their actions.

See Galatians 5:19-23 for those fruits.

A bad tree cannot hide its fruit...it will come out, sooner or later.
This is the same with a good tree.
Even though the devil makes his ministers to look like the ministers of light ( 2 Corinthians 14-15 ), there is no way for a bad tree to disguise its fruit, nor a good tree.

But without mature discernment, a believer will have a hard time spotting some of them.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 24, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
OK, I really liked your post, but there are a lot of "I's" in there...?

Do you think that is in any way at all any kind of problem at all, etc...?

And please do not take offense, as I am just asking you, and I'm trying to be kind here, etc...

Peace...

Really, "Peace", and I really do mean that, K, "Peace"...

God Bless!

I notice a lack of scripture references too.

HTacianas · Jun 24, 2021

Sidon said:
That is your response to being asked how we would recognize you as being born again?

And no, you are to recognize Paul's teaching as Pauline Theology.
Once you are able to do this, you'll recognize mine.

You don't have to recognize me as being anything at all. But then I don't hold myself out as being a prophet or a teacher. Or anything of the sort for that matter.

But moving on. You said:

It means they talk about God and Christ and teach works, law and commandment keeping

Are we to assume that Paul did not teach all those things? If Paul did not teach all those things was he at odds with John, who said:

1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

You seem to be saying that you do not keep his commandments.

1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

And now you're going further by encouraging people not to keep commandments.

You see where my confusion is.

Sidon · Jun 24, 2021

Joined2krist said:
To be honest many wicked people I've met in real life are either Pastors or Evangelists, I've been scammed, stolen from, lied to because i held them in high esteem. There seems to be some truth in what the OP is saying.

Joined2Krist

Christians , real ones, are easy victims, until we wake up..... Its because most are trained badly early in our spiritual growth, regarding how to spot liars and deceivers.
I show you how.

See, we are taught that "good works = good people".
This reminds me of a photo of Hitler, in full uniform, in color.... holding two small children, and he's just smiling......and they are not.

We read that we are to love our neighbor as ourselves, and some take this to mean, we are to trust unconditionally like fools.

We read that Jesus said to turn the other cheek and that the spirit of meekness is to be coveted, and that gets twisted by spineless pulpits and social justice churches into "be a doormat", "never take a stand", and some commit the great sin of : BLIND TOLERANCE.

We are Children of the LIGHT<........ This is all the born again.
We are not to stay hidden, we are a part of the Light of the World, who is Jesus THE Christ.

Paul said to put on the whole ARMOR of God.
And you dont wear armor, hiding from spiritual confrontation and theological liars.
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Paul changed the entire world with one message.
ONE MESSAGE.

Law keeping ? No

Commandment keeping? No

Presenting your body as a living sacrifice? No

Water baptism? No

Pre-destined elect? No

So what is the message? ?????

Its this..

The BLOOD of JESUS. "the preaching of the Cross".

Paul said he had that message, and took it everywhere he could go.
He called it "My Gospel".
He was stoned to death for that message.
He was jailed for years for that message.
He was beaten with whips a few different times for that message.
They cut off Paul's head because of this message of Eternal Truth...=The BLOOD OF JESUS makes you RIGHTEOUS forever.
John 14:6

Why? Because the devil hates that message, and the world that is run by the devil hates that message.
And many who talk about "christian stuff" hate it, and many who talk about "christian stuff", have never met that message with faith and become born again.
But they can fight on a "christian" forum against it, 24/7, and love to do it.
Its why they hang around fourms.

This message makes a dark light very agitated.
A dark light does not want to hear about the Cross of Christ or the BLOOD of Jesus.
They dont want to be told that the blood of Jesus that saves you, is the ONLY REASON you go to heaven.

What they want to hear is something from the Old Testament, or something Jesus said before He was Crucified, or something about law, and commandment keeping, or something said by any other apostle, other than Paul.
Im here some weeks now talking about Paul's Gospel and Paul's Doctrine, and low and behold, its as if i created it, and just put the book out.
Ive got way more than a dozen Threads up and running, and they talk about Paul's Gospel, and the Blood of Jesus and they are all a constant war zone of resistance.
Fascinating, to see the power of the message of the Cross be so impactful.
There is POWER in the BLOOD.
Believe it.

The first time i really saw this spiritual reality doing what it does to dark lights, was in 1991.
I was an industrial draftsman, also doing the seminary thing, and i would take my NT everywhere with me.
So, in MONSANTO where i was working, i would take it to the Cafeteria, and read it while i had lunch or dinner, depending on my shift.
The place was full of employees, and im there, day after day, eating, and studying the Word.
I kid you not reader.......when i grabbed the NT, the room shook.
People started to cough, scratch, jerk around, and behave oddly.
This was every day, and i witnessed it.
There is Power in the BLOOD and there is POWER IN THE HOLY BIBLE.
The word of God is ALIVE !

So all That's interesting, isn't it, when you consider that the message of the Cross, that is the Blood of Jesus taught as the Grace of God, came from Paul, as "the Gospel of the Grace of God".
Who would not want to hear all about what Paul said when you consider that He wrote most of the New Testament?
Who? A dark light.

Neogaia777 · Jun 24, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Jesus never did away with any of God's commandments and even referred directly to God's ten when asked a similar question.

Mathew 19: 16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

Contrary to what is being taught today Jesus did not have a different will or set of commandments than God. As stated by Jesus:

John 14:24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.

What about some of the things Paul said...?

And Jesus, when asked what was the greatest of all the commandments, responded with only two, and not the ten, or any of 613 at all, and I don't think I have to give you the scripture references as we should both just know what I am already talking about, etc, but if you insist, I will start including them OK...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Jun 24, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Jesus never did away with any of God's commandments and even referred directly to God's ten when asked a similar question.

Mathew 19: 16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

Contrary to what is being taught today Jesus did not have a different will or set of commandments than God. As stated by Jesus:

John 14:24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.

To you, when Jesus talks about keeping his words, do you think he is referring to the big ten, letter of the law commandments, or any of the 613...?

Navair2 · Jun 24, 2021

Sidon said:
Now, listen carefully...
Because i only teach Paul, is a definite sign you should learn to recognize as one of God's.
Before i came here, were you on a lot of Threads that talked about Pauline Theology and the Blood of Jesus and the Cross.?
Thats a no.
That is all i teach.

Do you teach all of Romans?
Ephesians?
Galatians?

Do you teach what Paul told us in Ephesians 1, that believers were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world?
That they were predestinated to their adoption as children, by Jesus Christ to Himself?

Ephesians 2...
That, even when they were dead in their trespasses and sins, God made them alive together with Christ?
That they were saved by grace through faith, and that their faith is not of themselves, it is the gift of God?
That they are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus?

What about Romans 8:28-30, where only those who were foreknown have any of the benefits of the rest of the passage, including justification and calling?
That, because they are God's elect, no one can lay any charge against them ( Romans 8:33 )?

Do you teach what Paul told the Thessalonians, that they were chosen to salvation ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 ) through ( not because of ) both sanctification of the spirit and their belief of the truth?
That it was given to them, by the Lord, to both believe on Christ and to suffer for His sake ( Philippians 1:29 )?

That all their sins were paid for at the cross ( Colossians 2:13-14 ), and that they were reconciled to God by the death of His Son ( Romans 5:10 ), not by their act of belief?

Finally,
One of the tests of a true teacher is that they do not go back to the world and its ways, as 2 Peter 2:20-22 tells us.
They follow the Lord's commands because those commands are important to them, and are patient, apt to teach, gentle to all men and and do good unto all men, especially those who are of the household of faith.

They are mature believers in Jesus Christ, not novices, lest being lifted up with pride they might fall into the condemnation of the devil.

Neogaia777 · Jun 24, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Jesus never did away with any of God's commandments and even referred directly to God's ten when asked a similar question.

Mathew 19: 16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

Contrary to what is being taught today Jesus did not have a different will or set of commandments than God. As stated by Jesus:

John 14:24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.

Neogaia777 said:
What about some of the things Paul said...?

And Jesus, when asked what was the greatest of all the commandments, responded with only two, and not the ten, or any of 613 at all, and I don't think I have to give you the scripture references as we should both just know what I am already talking about, etc, but if you insist, I will start including them OK...?

God Bless!

Or why would Jesus, when asked what the greatest of the commandments were, only refer to the two, and not the ten at all, or the 613 at all, etc...?

Can you tell us/me/you/we why he did that, etc...?

God Bless!

GallagherM · Jun 24, 2021

I believe the devil is defeated.

Revelation 20:7-10.

No reason to keep the threat alive when the devil was defeated.

There are simply broken and lost people in this life; who need to be helped from the darkness they are in; some however simply do not give a damn about God: and that is the truth and a fact.

There will be people in this life who love God or simply do not love anything about God at all.

That is what I believe, I do not know about others.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 24, 2021

HTacianas said:
You don't have to recognize me as being anything at all. But then I don't hold myself out as being a prophet or a teacher. Or anything of the sort for that matter.

But moving on. You said:

Are we to assume that Paul did not teach all those things? If Paul did not teach all those things was he at odds with John, who said:

1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

You seem to be saying that you do not keep his commandments.

1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

And now you're going further by encouraging people not to keep commandments.

You see where my confusion is.

Good points.

Paul is also the author of 1 Corinthians 7:19 but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

and

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Paul did not teach a different gospel from one chapter to another or a different gospel than our Savior.
Many misunderstand Paul and take scripture out of context and seem to disregard all other scripture for their own benefit. The bible is one fluid book and there are no contradictions, just misunderstandings.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 24, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
Or why would Jesus, when asked what the greatest of the commandments were, only refer to the two, and not the ten at all, or the 613 at all, etc...?

Can you tell us/me/you/we why he did that, etc...?

God Bless!

Are you saying Jesus was wrong and we should disregard His direct quote? If you noticed, one of the greatest commandments was in the scripture I provided. Jesus quoted directly from the Ten and one of the greatest commandments. All of God's commandments are based on love. The first 4 are how we show love to God and the last six how we are to treat each other. Jesus said the greatest commandments hangs on all the law and prophets. Mathew 22:40

Mathew 19: 16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

The greatest commandments does not delete God's Ten as you can see from this quote from Jesus. Hope this helps. God bless!

Navair2 · Jun 24, 2021

Sidon said:
I'll tell you what is difficult to find in these end times.
Its a preacher, or a teacher, or both, who gives all Credit to Christ for Salvation.

Amen.
That same Jesus, who gets all the credit for giving eternal life to exactly as many as God the Father has given to Him ( John 6:64-65, John 10:28-29, John 17:2-3 ).

The "whoseover believeth", from the heart ( John 3:16, Romans 10:8-10 ).

Sidon said:
This is almost gone now, as all you hear is..>>"law, self effort, commandments, pre-destined elect, and a very brief mention of Jesus"".

Predestined elect?
But that is what Paul taught.

Furthermore,
Election is what makes salvation by works the impossibility that it is...
God completely bypasses man's efforts at gaining His favor, by granting that favor to those He has chosen, in Christ, before the foundation of the world.
That is what makes salvation a gift, and not a reward for our actions, responses, etc.
Election, or God's choice of the sinner to salvation, defines whether or not it is "all of grace" ( Romans 11:5-6 ).

God's unmerited grace, given to undeserving sinners through no effort of their own.

And no, I feel I must disagree with you...
All that I hear and see nowadays is not "predestined elect"...quite the contrary, in my opinion.
On every TV and radio station in America, all i can find is "God loves everyone and Christ died for everyone, and all you gotta do to be saved is "believe / make a decision to follow Him".

Hardly anyone anymore preaches what is commonly called "Calvinism" ( and never on TV or radio, at least not in my area ),
Because it is so offensive to those who think that something that they do ( or did ) is actually responsible for God granting to them His gift of eternal life.

It saddens me to see that so many have fallen for this merit-based system that now permeates the churches with its "God loves everyone and waits for you to come to Him " message that Peter, Paul and the Lord Jesus Christ never did preach.

But my friends, that is a sign of the times that we are in...
The last of the last days.

He is very near.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 24, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
What about some of the things Paul said...?

And Jesus, when asked what was the greatest of all the commandments, responded with only two, and not the ten, or any of 613 at all, and I don't think I have to give you the scripture references as we should both just know what I am already talking about, etc, but if you insist, I will start including them OK...?

God Bless!

Regarding the scripture quotes I was adding on to what you were saying about the OP.

I addressed the rest of your post in #32.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 24, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
Or why would Jesus, when asked what the greatest of the commandments were, only refer to the two, and not the ten at all, or the 613 at all, etc...?

Can you tell us/me/you/we why he did that, etc...?

God Bless!

Why would Jesus quote only one of the the greatest commandments and part of the Ten commandments when He was asked how to gain eternal life? Because He did not say to love God with all our hearts, should we delete that one now?

Does Jesus have to repeat Himself for us to believe Him? Just because He didn't repeat every commandment every time He was asked does not mean the commandments not repeated are deleted.

Here's one of the last verses in the bible, so obviously the Ten were not deleted.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

Neogaia777 · Jun 24, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Are you saying Jesus was wrong and we should disregard His direct quote? If you noticed, one of the greatest commandments was in scripture I provided. Jesus quoted directly from the Ten and one of the greatest commandments. All of God's commandments are based on love. The first 4 are how we show love to God and the last six how we are to treat each other. Jesus said the greatest commandments hangs on all the law and prophets. Mathew 22:40

I was wondering if you already knew that or not "Love is the fulfillment of the Law", etc, now we're getting somewhere...

But why did Jesus choose to word it differently when asked what the greatest of them was, and only say only two the way he did, and not the ten, or all 613, etc...? Was more of what I was asking you, etc...?

Was it because of the way the letter of the law was, or was read, or had to be read, that would never ever lead to true obedience, but only increased sin, or only the fruits of only self-righteousness maybe, etc...?

Cause that last part seems to be what Paul was saying, etc...?

Oh and about when Jesus asked or told that one man, a Jew still under the letter of the OT law covenant, etc, is because that man was trying to prove his own righteousness, AKA, his own "self-righteousness", etc, and Jesus knew it, etc, and wanted to catch him in it, etc, which of course, he did, and then told him "one thing is lacking for you, go and sell all you have and give it to the poor and follow after me", etc, and this was all only because he was still trying to prove his own "self-righteousness", etc, or else Jesus might have never said that to him at all, because he already knew he would not be able to do it, just like his claim that he had kept all the letter of the law commandments fully and/or always, etc, and Jesus was "after that" about him, cause he knew it was a lie, and knew from the very start that he was going to be trying to prove or re-affirm his own self-righteousness, etc, which Jesus was very much against, etc...

Otherwise he probably just would have said to him "Love God (with all you are/have) and love your neighbor as yourself", etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Jun 24, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Why would Jesus quote only one of the the greatest commandments and part of the Ten commandments when He was asked how to gain eternal life? Because He did not say to love God with all our hearts, should we delete that one now?

Does Jesus have to repeat Himself for us to believe Him? Just because He didn't repeat every commandment every time He was asked does not mean the commandments not repeated are deleted.

Here's one of the last verses in the bible, so obviously the Ten were not deleted.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

Love is the fulfillment of the law/commandments, were past that now, see my last post just now to you, etc...

God Bless!

Sidon · Jun 24, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Jesus taught us something completely different.

Words from our Savior!

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.

Mathew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

This is the test of a false prophet according to scripture:

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

As i said.

The way you discover a person who is resisting truth, and defined as dark lights, is noted by the fact that they can't talk about the Cross, the Blood of Jesus, or the Gospel of Grace.
All they can stand to discuss, is the Old Testament, or verses from any apostle other then Paul, that they then twist to try to prove self effort gets you into heaven.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 24, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
I was wondering if you already knew that or not "Love is the fulfillment of the Law", etc, now we're getting somewhere...

But why did Jesus choose to word it differently when asked what the greatest of them was, and only say only two the way he did, and not the ten, or all 613, etc...? Was more of what I was asking you, etc...?

Was it because of the way the letter of the law was, or was read, or had to be read, that would never ever lead to true obedience, but only increased sin or self-righteousness maybe, etc...?

Cause that last part seems to be what Paul was saying, etc...?

Oh and about when Jesus asked or told that one man, a Jew still under the letter of the OT law covenant, etc, is because that man was trying to prove his own righteousness, AKA, his own "self-righteousness", etc, and Jesus knew it, etc, and wanted to catch him in it, etc, which of course, he did, and then told him "one thing is lacking for you, go and sell all you have and give it to the poor and follow after me", etc, and this was all only because he was still trying to prove his own "self-righteousness", etc, or else Jesus might have never said that to him at all, because he already knew he would not be able to do it, just like his claim that he had kept all the letter of the law commandments fully and/or always, etc, and Jesus was "after that" about him, cause he knew it was a lie, and knew from the very start that he was going to be trying to prove or re-affirm his own self-righteousness, etc, which Jesus was against, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

Love is the fulfillment of the law. I fulfill my marriage vows when I am faithful to my husband because I love him. God's laws in the New Covenant is written in our hearts and I fulfill His commandments when I obey because of my great love for our Savior. Jesus said He did not come to destroy the law. Mathew 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I certainly do not want to be called least in God's kingdom, because I do not think least means you will be there.

Navair2 · Jun 24, 2021

Sidon said:
The way you discover a person who is resisting truth, and defined as dark lights, is noted by the fact that they can't talk about the Cross, the Blood of Jesus, or the Gospel of Grace.

Amen.
The Gospel truly is of grace, and all believers are washed in His blood in the eyes of God their Father.

That cross alone, where He gave His life for the sheep ( John 10:11 ), was His own personal sacrifice for them and them alone.

Sidon said:
All they can stand to discuss, is the Old Testament, or verses from any apostle other then Paul, that they then twist to try to prove self effort gets you into heaven.

Amen yet again, and well said, sir.

From the Scriptures, we know that truly believing on Christ, has a cause...
God's gift of the new birth through the work of His Spirit and His living word ( Acts of the Apostles 16:14, Titus 3:5-7, James 1:18, John 1:11-13 ) .

Faith, the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen ( Hebrews 11:1 )...
Authored and finished by Jesus Christ Himself ( Hebrews 12:2 ) and a fruit of His Spirit within all of His people ( Galatians 5:22 ).

It truly is a miracle of His mercy and grace.
If self-effort of any kind were involved, then that would make it a Gospel of works, not of grace.

Good evening to you.

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