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How to show an atheist the possibility of God

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morse86

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The bible says to not waste time getting into "worldly debates". Most nonbelievers don't even believe in evolution.

People keep talking about the athiest and focusing on them. What about the Hindus? What about the Shintoists? What about the Buddhists? Who is going to give them the gospel?

Who is going to pull them out of the eternel fire?

Romans 10:15:
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Isaiah 52:7:
How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
 
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Go ask a recent immigrant whether they believe people came from monkeys. They will laugh at you.

If you said that I would laugh at you too. I thought you were talking about non-believers. If you were looking at all non-believers I would suspect most don't even know what science is much less evolution.
Go ask a recent immigrant whether they believe people came from monkeys. They will laugh at you.
 
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If you said that I would laugh at you too. I thought you were talking about non-believers. If you were looking at all non-believers I would suspect most don't even know what science is much less evolution.

Please don't group evolution, which is a religion, with science. Evolution is a science falsely called.

The wisdom of the world if foolishness unto God. The wisdom of God is foolishness unto the world.

Evolution is mandated in the indoctrination system called "education". If you repeat it 9000 times, you will also believe it is true.

Outside of the US, people don't care about evolution nor do they believe it.
 
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Go ask a recent immigrant whether they believe people came from monkeys. They will laugh at you.
All I have ever heard is that we have a common lineage with monkeys. Are you aware we have a common lineage with amoebas as well?
 
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All I have ever heard is that we have a common lineage with monkeys. Are you aware we have a common lineage with amoebas as well?

No, at what point did God breath the breath of life into amoeba? At what point did God say to the amoeba, this is my only begotten son?!?!?!?!?!?!

I don't care about the amoebas or the monkeys. Look, God created us. I don't try to look for "commonality". Just like I don't look for "commonality" between a Jaguar Mark II and a nonstick frying pan.

Jesus said after he is gone, we are to be the light of the world. I don't want to be engaged in "Neverending Worldly Debates"....I want to pull people out of the fire...be profitable on to Christ.

So what if a bunch of athiests want to be "wise men" according to the world.
 
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I don't know because I wasn't there. But since amoebas are alive he must have. Science which includes evolution often looks for commonalities.
 
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I don't know because I wasn't there. But since amoebas are alive he must have. Science which includes evolution often looks for commonalities.

I can find several commonalities between a Jaguar Mark II and a nonstick frying pan. Look a piece of aluminium metal in the ground. Obviously, the Mark II evolved into a frying pan. Let's publish in the scientifical journals so the Satanic process...I mean the Peer Review process will approve it.

Yeah I found a piece of aluminium, it's a Mark II and a frying pan, it's science!
 
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Do you have anything to contribute towards the title of this thread?
 
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"I have the truth, so there!"

I could have saved you all of that typing.
 
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Outside of the US, people don't care about evolution nor do they believe it.
Oh buddy, we are waayy down the list when it comes to acceptance of evolution in first-world countries. The US is very unique in that it's so developed and yet still has such a high rate of religiosity. We wouldn't even be having this discussion in many other first-world countries.
 
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The issue your chart runs into is the excluded middle, or false dilemma fallacy. Absolute consciousness (by way of theism) or nothing (by way of atheism.)

However, lets take a look at a less nihilistic atheism:
an objective reality exists that is purely natural and no supernatural exists. Consciousness exists as a purely natural phenomenon. That is probably a better approximation of the most common atheist viewpoint but is not addressed on your chart.
 
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It actually does address the view point that consciousness exists as a purely natural phenomenon because this view point has not been proven or disproven and so requires belief. Just like the existence of God has not been proven or disproven and so requires belief. Even the same can be said for the Big Bang theory or singularity or any other scientific theory regarding the origins of the universe, it has not been proven or disproven and so requires belief. It all comes down to belief, which is also what I've been saying throughout this entire thread.

Besides if you believe consciousness in humans arose as a purely natural "phenomenon" then you must believe that consciousness is absolute. In other words if you believe consciousness is real, then it does not depend on any subjective individual's consciousness to exist. If it does not depend on any subjective individual's consciousness to exist then consciousness is absolute. We can never hope to be able to comprehend absolute consciousness because it would be infinite by our minds definition and we are incapable of understanding infinities. How does the God of the Holy Bible describe Himself? As infinite and all knowing, seems to fit the "description" of absolute consciousness.
 
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I appreciate the effort, but you can't seem to get past one problem: assertions are just that, assertions. Claiming you have the Truth is not evidence that you have the Truth.
 
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All of the evidence is consistent with our consciousness being the physical property of our brains. When you damage the brain you damage consciousness. You can alter consciousness by altering the chemistry of the brain.

We also have plenty of evidence for the Big Bang, such as the cosmic microwave background.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background


Again, those are a lot of assertions with nothing to back them up.
 
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Atheism is illogical because...

To know there is no God one would have to know and experience all things, because God could be within an area that they do not know or in which they have not experienced. Even if one were to have all the knowledge and experience of 50% of the Britannica, that would mean that there is 50% they cannot know nor have experienced. So to know God is not, one has to know all.

To know there is no God, one would have to be in all places simultaneously because God could or have revealed Himself in a place where you are not (even to someone now, somewhere else).

You would have to have known all and been everywhere during all of the past, the present, and in all possible futures in case God was revealing Himself when you were not.

Finally, you would have to be aware of all that which is and/or has been known or experienced by all individuals of all times, in case He had revealed Himself to only certain peoples, at certain times.

Now this is rational and logical but only the tip of the iceberg but it should suffice…

So in effect, to know there is no God, you would have to be omniscient, omnipresent, and eternal, and able to experience the experience of all others, for any who may be able to receive illumination or revelation that God is. So to believe with conviction that there is no God, one then has to be exactly what is called God thus proving GOd IS.

Paul
 
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