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Finding false doctrines on CF is like finding water in the ocean.
It seems to me that the false doctrine of sola scriptura is the one to blame. Pretty much everyone is making an appeal to the bible to support their positions which inadvertently has rendered what the Sacred Scriptures say about themselves meaningless.
Perusing this thread, if everyone is reading the bible for themselves, the Sacred Scriptures aren't useful for teaching, refutation or correction. They're just a cause for dissent and confusion.
The problem becomes even more evident when you consider the three petitions for when a brother sins against you. The third and final petition is not to the bible but to the Church. If I'm a good baptist and the brother who sins against me is a good Lutheran, to whose church should we go?
This thread is just an example of the problems sola scripturists encounter when their self-proclaimed authority to interpret the bible for themselves usurps the authority of the Church.
Doctrine does indeed need to be meditated upon and discussed in the light of God's Word: sound doctrine glorifies Christ and His work at the Cross, and builds up the believer in Him.I used the word 'argue' as more than a friendly debate.
I avoid 'arguing' over scripture, preferring to understand the other persons view and clarifying where I differ.
If I do see blatant errors which clash completely with scripture I point out that the bible doesn't say it anywhere and what the bible actually states.
However, this is the problem......I am not so sure you can report a belief that you would personally consider as being wrong or unbiblical. Most threads are for or against a particular Christian doctrine or belief. You cannot report a belief exactly but you can report abusive behavior.
Also, many things that I have come to know in God's Word are strange to most in the world of Christianity. I believe in Conditional Immortality, I believe in Sinless Perfectionism, I believe in New Testament Pacifism, I believe that Jesus made unfermented wine (grape juice) at the wedding at Cana, and I believe that God told Hosea to marry a wife from the people of idolatry (and God did not tell Hosea to marry a prostitute). So should I be reported because I believe this is what the Scriptures say? That doesn't make any sense. I believe I was taught by the Spirit and not by any church or man on these things. I am following God's Word and my conscience. I believe I have come to the conclusion I have by prayer and by comparing Scripture with Scripture over a long period of time in deep study to the best of my abilities (with God guiding me). Should I be condemned for that? Surely not.
Now, if you are suggesting that a Christian here on this forum should hold to more obvious doctrines (to be able to post in the Christian section) like:
(a) They cannot deny the Trinity,
(b) They should not believe in Universalism,
Well, this is something that is left up to the creators of this thread to decide and not us. We do not have control over things like that. So far I have not seen any restrictions on what a Christian can believe here on CF. If there are such restrictions in possessing certain beliefs, I am unaware of them. The restriction is merely behaviorial. If a person is attacking another and insulting them, etc. then that is considered to be a "no," "no." In fact, I agree that it is not good to have such a restriction on bad behavior. There are times people want to attack the person instead of the belief. The attack must be with the Word of God on a person's belief and not by hitting the report button or being cute and smart with them or in attacking their character. God's Word is called the sword of the Spirit for a reason. It is our best weapon against any false doctrine or untruth. That along with prayer, too.
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The catholic church isnt flawless, also your argument is flawed.You guys are so close to the problem that you can't recognize it for yourselves, so an outsider has to point it out to you.
Until sola scripturists begin to recognize a Church with the authority to teach, you're going to keep having the problem of false doctrines. You can't just quote the bible and claim you're inerrant.
All Jesus' Sheep Hear His Voice. (and will not follow any other)And God told you already that you have to learn to identify who's voice that is.
I think the point should be that what 'religious' statistics might say is neither here nor there, in the final analysis; it's what clearly God's Word says that counts. As I'm sure you agree.
Nope. I still don't understand what the statistic is.I think the point should be that what 'religious' statistics might say is neither here nor there, in the final analysis; it's what clearly God's Word says that counts. As I'm sure you agree.
Everything the Sacred Scriptures say about themselves are true. They are useful for teaching, just not in the hands of the sola scripturist. This thread is yet more evidence of that. Everyone is claiming the bible as their greatest authority when in fact their greatest authority is their personal interpretation of the bible.
I can't blame sola scripturists for rejecting the personal interpretations of their fellow sola scripturists. I don't give them any credence either.
I wasn't sure either.Nope. I still don't understand what the statistic is.
All Jesus' Sheep Hear His Voice. (and will not follow any other)
He Says So.
Gospel
JN 10:1-10
Jesus said:
"Amen, amen, I say to you,
whoever does not enter a sheepfold through the gate
but climbs over elsewhere is a thief and a robber.
But whoever enters through the gate is the shepherd of the sheep.
The gatekeeper opens it for him, and the sheep hear his voice,
as the shepherd calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has driven out all his own,
he walks ahead of them, and the sheep follow him,
because they recognize his voice.
But they will not follow a stranger;
they will run away from him,
because they do not recognize the voice of strangers."
Although Jesus used this figure of speech,
the Pharisees did not realize what he was trying to tell them.
So Jesus said again, "Amen, amen, I say to you,
I am the gate for the sheep.
All who came before me are thieves and robbers,
but the sheep did not listen to them.
I am the gate.
Whoever enters through me will be saved,
and will come in and go out and find pasture.
A thief comes only to steal and slaughter and destroy;
I came so that they might have life and have it more abundantly."
..rather long rant on Catholicism...."false" doctrine #7....I am rather new to CF and recently went on a thread that commented about the pope saying he was offended (my words) with the wording 'mother of bombs' I thought about his argument that a mother is nurturing and not a killer (my words) and I gave the original poster my view which was that there are 5 meanings to the word mother in a light manner. Then stated that The Heavenly Father does not concern Himself with media manipulations.
Thought no more about it.
Someone posted that the pope was saying alot of things in his opinion was not in his job description. then I posted that what was his job description and could he be fired or did they come from a blood line? (I honestly did not know those ?) I then said never-mind I would rather read the bible than Google that. (I was reading zechariah again in between post) but someone posted that the holy father is doing a good job but they used capital letters and this shocked and horrified me. Do they really do that? I thought to myself then another posted a similar post and I unwatched the thread but someone quoted my post which alerted me and I read his post which was answering my questions very kindly. I quoted his and thanked him but I must flee this thread because they call the Pope holy father (with capitals) and gave Mathews teachings of Jesus not to call anyone on earth Father (notice capital) and that there is only one Heavenly Father. And I also stated that it was ironic that the pope had issue with mother being used when he is not stopping people calling him holy father. And my comment to him would be to take the plank from his own eye before removing the speck of his brother.
I then was informed I could not debate cathlic religion on that thread. (They quoted my post that sent another alert) and I posted back that I wasn't debating and that I would be happy not to see there post for I never want to see that again so stop quoting my post.
I have researched history of cathlic and protestants but never their rituals. So really was shocking to see this. I felt so disappointed for in ever discussion I have had with a cathlic I ask if they trust in Jesus Christ as their savior and speak to Him alone for forgiveness and they tell me yes that the priest or pope is like in example Billy Graham or preacher. But never would I call a man holy with a capital but would say they are made holy in the body of Christ but that is only In Christ made holy. And never would I call a preacher father or etc...
I know that since I don't like to offend others it wasn't my intention but it escalated from just being flippant about media to me offending them and them offending me.
They even tried to say that I was confused because Paul refereed himself as father to his church yet they used lower case. But I refused to have anymore contact.
So I guess in the case above best thing is to leave alone and hope they do know Jesus Christ as their savior and the Holy Spirit will lead them to understanding that only through Jesus Christ should they set as there example and call only the Heavenly Father Holy and Father together.
But as far as the magazines "good job" throwing them out..
I say if it is going to make you or a loved one sin cut it off. Even if it means a loved one.
Who we associate with can lead into temptation. So sometimes if we find it hard to resist the wrong thing with friends or the friend continues to try to temp you knowing how you feel you must walk away...
But this is just my opinion
For some reason the Word has much more impact for me when received through it's guardian, the Church.
The catholic church isnt flawless, also your argument is flawed.
A person can learn from the bible, and from other christians who quote the bible. To me, the churches of catholicism appear to be legalistic, and controversial as well. I am glad to find liberty from such religious practice. I follow the Word, not a church.
Pure? Look at all the controversial things in catholicism. Praying to mary, the queen of heaven? Get real bro, join the protestants.Actually, the Catholic Church is 100% doctrinally pure. I've never fallen for that oft repeated protestant mantra that every Church has some error. If that's true, how does anyone know what that the Truth is?
As much as I admire your individualism, I don't see it as a biblical application of the Christian faith.
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