How to Respond to False Doctrine

Greg Merrill said:

Imagine you are reading a post on CF (Not this one, ), and you start reading some strange stuff, stuff that you have never read in the Bible. It may have a nice sound to it, but it just doesn't seem quite right. It might even be "alluring" or looking like an appealing bait, or appetizer. Then you recognize it. You can almost hear the hiss of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. You know now that this is not the voice of the Spirit, or of Jesus (John 10:27). You could easily just stop reading, and move on to another post, or something else, and that might be the appropriate action for some. But these words on this post that is just not quite right, or no where close to right is still there for others to read.
It reminds me of years ago, while working as a security supervisor at a hotel, of occasionally coming across pornographic magazines left in the hallways. Now I could be tempted to look at them, or I could ignore them, or I could just throw them away. But then others might still find them and fall for/to their destructiveness. As a Christian I developed a plan for finding them in the future. "Find it, fold it, and fling it." Find it, and don't look at the cover and be enticed by that, and then want to see more. NO!!! Fold that magazine in half immediately so as not to see the cover. Then don't just throw it away for someone else to find. Take it to the trash compactor and fling it all the way to the back, and push the button to move it to a place where it will become irretrievable (at least by me and others in the hotel.) Now not everyone has access to a trash compactor, but come up with a similar plan for dealing with your own temptations, something that is practical, workable, and effective.
So when we find posts on this website, posts maybe we don't think we necessarily should REPORT, how should we respond? Argue, debate, teach,... ? I would like to hear from you.

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I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 2 Timothy 4:1-4



I have found through experience that the moderators who govern each area of the Forum, may or may not "side" with false doctrine, in which if they do, it's difficult to correct or rebuke those who teach false doctrine.


OSAS, Pre-trib Rapture, keeping the law of Moses, and Preterism are just a few.



JLB

If some people say muslim is the only truth. I say usually, Good for you. I don't go into discussion. I did not hear my Lord my God Jesus telling me to go into argument with them. It is pointless really. Eventually it ends up in a fight with words.

Jesus said, I cannot do anything unless I see the Father God do it. I think we should follow that advice really bro's and sisters. If you hear and see Jesus doing then the holy spirit tell you, then you know, you know , it is time to do something and it will have effect! No sooner, not much later.

So again, start learning how to identify the voice of God. Then you know what to do and when and how.....

staffsgt7 said:

When I read this in the Vatican II catechism, and then realizing not only the Pope and clergy that put it in there but all the ones thereafter that have said nothing, did nothing and allowed it to stay... well, I tell many but few listen that this is pure blasphemy.

#841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

allah is not God and can more easily be compared to Satan! (allah is a deceiver, demands to be worshiped... or else you die, hates, never said its name is YHWH, etc) But one would have to do something that I gather they do not do but would rather listen to moslems who proclaim they are Abrahamic therefore... blah blah blah.


moslems don't read the Bible, they read the koran. the koran has Abraham.

koran 60:4 There has already been for you an excellent example in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, "Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone" except for the saying of Abraham to his father, "I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allah . Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination.

Notice the words 'excellent example' that is also how mohamed is described. But it is qualified by '... we are disassociated from you... you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone...'

BUT YOU MAY NOT IMITATE Abraham when asking for forgiveness for you... "I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allah"

So when the moslem world gets a greeting from us that say 'we should be like Abraham' - to moslems that means that we (moslems) should hate you.

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chihwahli said:

No human doctrine or explanation of the bible is perfect, there is always a part God , part human in it.

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Most definitely!

When faced with false doctrine, I do what the Holy Catholic Church has done for two millenia - I respond with arguments for true doctrine. What else is there to do, honestly? It is not our place to judge others, but to "make disciples of" them.

If they will not listen to reason, I sadly walk away.

Greg Merrill said:

Imagine you are reading a post on CF (Not this one, ), and you start reading some strange stuff, stuff that you have never read in the Bible. It may have a nice sound to it, but it just doesn't seem quite right. It might even be "alluring" or looking like an appealing bait, or appetizer. Then you recognize it. You can almost hear the hiss of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. You know now that this is not the voice of the Spirit, or of Jesus (John 10:27). You could easily just stop reading, and move on to another post, or something else, and that might be the appropriate action for some. But these words on this post that is just not quite right, or no where close to right is still there for others to read.
It reminds me of years ago, while working as a security supervisor at a hotel, of occasionally coming across pornographic magazines left in the hallways. Now I could be tempted to look at them, or I could ignore them, or I could just throw them away. But then others might still find them and fall for/to their destructiveness. As a Christian I developed a plan for finding them in the future. "Find it, fold it, and fling it." Find it, and don't look at the cover and be enticed by that, and then want to see more. NO!!! Fold that magazine in half immediately so as not to see the cover. Then don't just throw it away for someone else to find. Take it to the trash compactor and fling it all the way to the back, and push the button to move it to a place where it will become irretrievable (at least by me and others in the hotel.) Now not everyone has access to a trash compactor, but come up with a similar plan for dealing with your own temptations, something that is practical, workable, and effective.
So when we find posts on this website, posts maybe we don't think we necessarily should REPORT, how should we respond? Argue, debate, teach,... ? I would like to hear from you.

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Are you referring to such phrases popular among pop-evangelicals, such as "receive/accept Christ into your heart" and "personal Savior"?

These might sound good, but they are nowhwere in the Bible.

Christ is risen!

Anyone want to share a gallon-o-popcorn with me?

The body of Christ is made out of all Christians. The body has been seperated and working against itself and others for too long. If you have an eye to see, you will notice that some Christian gatherings around the globe are about forgiving others. It prepared the way to have ONE body under the auhtority and love of Jesus again. Jesus said: if I am doing these miracles with the help of the devil then the devil is fighing against itself. The same principle applies to all streams of Christianity. We have to learn and have a heart to unite again! Without ONE body under Christ, Jesus return will be delayed again! Jesus needs His brothers and sisters to work as one. In unity and love.

So what you say: just walk away.... don't. Keep close and pray for unity and bonding with Jesus love.

sturgeonslawyer said:

When faced with false doctrine, I do what the Holy Catholic Church has done for two millenia - I respond with arguments for true doctrine. What else is there to do, honestly? It is not our place to judge others, but to "make disciples of" them.

If they will not listen to reason, I sadly walk away.

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Finding false doctrines on CF is like finding water in the ocean.

It seems to me that the false doctrine of sola scriptura is the one to blame. Pretty much everyone is making an appeal to the bible to support their positions which inadvertently has rendered what the Sacred Scriptures say about themselves meaningless.

All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

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Perusing this thread, if everyone is reading the bible for themselves, the Sacred Scriptures aren't useful for teaching, refutation or correction. They're just a cause for dissent and confusion.

The problem becomes even more evident when you consider the three petitions for when a brother sins against you. The third and final petition is not to the bible but to the Church. If I'm a good baptist and the brother who sins against me is a good Lutheran, to whose church should we go?

This thread is just an example of the problems sola scripturists encounter when their self-proclaimed authority to interpret the bible for themselves usurps the authority of the Church.

Thanks! =)

GeorgeJ said:

Anyone want to share a gallon-o-popcorn with me?

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JLB777 said:

OSAS, Pre-trib Rapture, keeping the law of Moses, and Preterism are just a few.

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"False" doctrine #1, 2, 3 and 4

Jack Isaacks said:

Are you referring to such phrases popular among pop-evangelicals, such as "receive/accept Christ into your heart" and "personal Savior"?

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"False" doctrine #5

tadoflamb said:

It seems to me that the false doctrine of sola scriptura is the one to blame.

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"False" doctrine #6

Greg Merrill said:

Imagine you are reading a post on CF (Not this one, ), and you start reading some strange stuff, stuff that you have never read in the Bible. It may have a nice sound to it, but it just doesn't seem quite right. It might even be "alluring" or looking like an appealing bait, or appetizer. Then you recognize it. You can almost hear the hiss of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. You know now that this is not the voice of the Spirit, or of Jesus (John 10:27). You could easily just stop reading, and move on to another post, or something else, and that might be the appropriate action for some. But these words on this post that is just not quite right, or no where close to right is still there for others to read.
It reminds me of years ago, while working as a security supervisor at a hotel, of occasionally coming across pornographic magazines left in the hallways. Now I could be tempted to look at them, or I could ignore them, or I could just throw them away. But then others might still find them and fall for/to their destructiveness. As a Christian I developed a plan for finding them in the future. "Find it, fold it, and fling it." Find it, and don't look at the cover and be enticed by that, and then want to see more. NO!!! Fold that magazine in half immediately so as not to see the cover. Then don't just throw it away for someone else to find. Take it to the trash compactor and fling it all the way to the back, and push the button to move it to a place where it will become irretrievable (at least by me and others in the hotel.) Now not everyone has access to a trash compactor, but come up with a similar plan for dealing with your own temptations, something that is practical, workable, and effective.
So when we find posts on this website, posts maybe we don't think we necessarily should REPORT, how should we respond? Argue, debate, teach,... ? I would like to hear from you.

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I am rather new to CF and recently went on a thread that commented about the pope saying he was offended (my words) with the wording 'mother of bombs' I thought about his argument that a mother is nurturing and not a killer (my words) and I gave the original poster my view which was that there are 5 meanings to the word mother in a light manner. Then stated that The Heavenly Father does not concern Himself with media manipulations.
Thought no more about it.
Someone posted that the pope was saying alot of things in his opinion was not in his job description. then I posted that what was his job description and could he be fired or did they come from a blood line? (I honestly did not know those ?) I then said never-mind I would rather read the bible than Google that. (I was reading zechariah again in between post) but someone posted that the holy father is doing a good job but they used capital letters and this shocked and horrified me. Do they really do that? I thought to myself then another posted a similar post and I unwatched the thread but someone quoted my post which alerted me and I read his post which was answering my questions very kindly. I quoted his and thanked him but I must flee this thread because they call the Pope holy father (with capitals) and gave Mathews teachings of Jesus not to call anyone on earth Father (notice capital) and that there is only one Heavenly Father. And I also stated that it was ironic that the pope had issue with mother being used when he is not stopping people calling him holy father. And my comment to him would be to take the plank from his own eye before removing the speck of his brother.
I then was informed I could not debate cathlic religion on that thread. (They quoted my post that sent another alert) and I posted back that I wasn't debating and that I would be happy not to see there post for I never want to see that again so stop quoting my post.

I have researched history of cathlic and protestants but never their rituals. So really was shocking to see this. I felt so disappointed for in ever discussion I have had with a cathlic I ask if they trust in Jesus Christ as their savior and speak to Him alone for forgiveness and they tell me yes that the priest or pope is like in example Billy Graham or preacher. But never would I call a man holy with a capital but would say they are made holy in the body of Christ but that is only In Christ made holy. And never would I call a preacher father or etc...

I know that since I don't like to offend others it wasn't my intention but it escalated from just being flippant about media to me offending them and them offending me.

They even tried to say that I was confused because Paul refereed himself as father to his church yet they used lower case. But I refused to have anymore contact.

So I guess in the case above best thing is to leave alone and hope they do know Jesus Christ as their savior and the Holy Spirit will lead them to understanding that only through Jesus Christ should they set as there example and call only the Heavenly Father Holy and Father together.

But as far as the magazines "good job" throwing them out..
I say if it is going to make you or a loved one sin cut it off. Even if it means a loved one.
Who we associate with can lead into temptation. So sometimes if we find it hard to resist the wrong thing with friends or the friend continues to try to temp you knowing how you feel you must walk away...
But this is just my opinion

Greg Merrill said:

Imagine you are reading a post on CF (Not this one, ), and you start reading some strange stuff, stuff that you have never read in the Bible. It may have a nice sound to it, but it just doesn't seem quite right. It might even be "alluring" or looking like an appealing bait, or appetizer. Then you recognize it. You can almost hear the hiss of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. You know now that this is not the voice of the Spirit, or of Jesus (John 10:27). You could easily just stop reading, and move on to another post, or something else, and that might be the appropriate action for some. But these words on this post that is just not quite right, or no where close to right is still there for others to read.
It reminds me of years ago, while working as a security supervisor at a hotel, of occasionally coming across pornographic magazines left in the hallways. Now I could be tempted to look at them, or I could ignore them, or I could just throw them away. But then others might still find them and fall for/to their destructiveness. As a Christian I developed a plan for finding them in the future. "Find it, fold it, and fling it." Find it, and don't look at the cover and be enticed by that, and then want to see more. NO!!! Fold that magazine in half immediately so as not to see the cover. Then don't just throw it away for someone else to find. Take it to the trash compactor and fling it all the way to the back, and push the button to move it to a place where it will become irretrievable (at least by me and others in the hotel.) Now not everyone has access to a trash compactor, but come up with a similar plan for dealing with your own temptations, something that is practical, workable, and effective.
So when we find posts on this website, posts maybe we don't think we necessarily should REPORT, how should we respond? Argue, debate, teach,... ? I would like to hear from you.

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We have the Bible as the standard of truth and we have the Holy Spirit as our teacher and interpreter (1John 2:27). Anyone who does not have the Holy Spirit is not only a false teacher (should he/she presume to teach) but a false "believer" as well (Romans 8:9). Those who listen to such false teachers are likely lost anyway--and we owe their ignorance to the general lack of Bible literacy-- "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God."

But we needn't despair--Jesus Himself, said that even the cleverest false teacher could not fool the elect. We can try to reach the lost with the Truth of Scripture, by the Spirit of Truth, but the choice is God's and theirs. What we can do is tell others what we believe and why--using Scripture as the "sword of the Spirit" being "ready to give a reason for the hope that we have". And then we pray for their souls. It is all that we have been given to fight against false teaching.

Even though this is the historic truly Christian position through the last two millennia, misguided churchmen have, in the past, thought that "false teaching" required them to execute the "false teachers". Nowhere in Scripture are we given warrant to do such a thing. Old Testament believers were told, at times, to execute others because of their sinful actions (they didn't have jails)--but never for their beliefs--even though very sinful actions often stem from erroneous beliefs.

GeorgeJ said:

"False" doctrine #6

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Actually, that was an observation. There is no 'sola scriptura is a false doctrine' doctrine.

chihwahli said:

Any Christian saying that the bible is not useful for teaching, should be careful.

Words from the bible are like milk says the bible. It is the essence which we all baby christians can grow into puberty.

SAying that the bible is not useful is saying that God made a mistake. Wow, you surely have big balls pall! But, I think God's balls are way bigger than yours.........

The way to explain the bible and be correct is with help of the Holy Spirit. There is no other way!
Because God alone knows the truth....

So start asking like in prayer: Dear heavenly Father, bla bla, what does this mean God? in Jesus name I pray. Hope you are ready to hear what God says. Hearing is sometimes not hearing but looking (seeing), feeling, dreaming, visions, someone else suddenly tell you the answer, etc

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The Bible...
The Word...
The Word is useful...the Bible without the Word is just words.
This means that on God's understanding, on God's wisdom... to have God's understanding,wisdom,knowledge,fear of the Lord,power
You have to have the Holy Spirit!
Without the Holy Spirit there is only man's understanding.
We need the Holy Spirit to discern which is being wielded.
My brother in law has memorized the Bible but yet still believes muslims,budda,muhammad, etc is same as the God of Abraham.
He also is a scientist and believes it is not possible for God to put a tree in a dark box and make it live.
Yet if you knew him you would think by his knowledge of the Bible he knows Our Heavenly Father.
He is like the Jews that went to Jesus with the Torah and Jesus said if you knew My Father or the Father of Abraham then you would not try to kill me.
That is the saddest part about knowing that someone who wants to please God but doesn't see God because they seeker man's version and not God’s.
The Bible is the most important book but wielded without the Holy Spirit is deadly to the wielder and who listened to him but wielded with the Holy Spirit:
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword , it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit

chihwahli said:

Any Christian saying that the bible is not useful for teaching, should be careful.

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Everything the Sacred Scriptures say about themselves are true. They are useful for teaching, just not in the hands of the sola scripturist. This thread is yet more evidence of that. Everyone is claiming the bible as their greatest authority when in fact their greatest authority is their personal interpretation of the bible.

I can't blame sola scripturists for rejecting the personal interpretations of their fellow sola scripturists. I don't give them any credence either.

chihwahli said:

No human doctrine or explanation of the bible is perfect, there is always a part God , part human in it.

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This is very common, average belief, but not truth.

Read ACTS for the first examples that contradict this.

Then also , Ephesians, Philippians, 1st John, et al...

Ekklesia, called and chosen and taught and set apart by YHWH,

did what is rarely seen today, but still has been done all through history since then.

Keep seeking, seek and keep seeking, YHWH'S KINGDOM,

and HE SAYS you will find it. His Way. Perfectly.

tadoflamb said:

Everything the Sacred Scriptures say about themselves are true. They are useful for teaching, just not in the hands of the sola scripturist. This thread is yet more evidence of that. Everyone is claiming the bible as their greatest authority when in fact their greatest authority is their personal interpretation of the bible.

I can't blame sola scripturists for rejecting the personal interpretations of their fellow sola scripturists. I don't give them any credence either.

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Greg Merrill said:

Imagine you are reading a post on CF (Not this one, ), and you start reading some strange stuff, stuff that you have never read in the Bible. It may have a nice sound to it, but it just doesn't seem quite right. It might even be "alluring" or looking like an appealing bait, or appetizer. Then you recognize it. You can almost hear the hiss of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. You know now that this is not the voice of the Spirit, or of Jesus (John 10:27). You could easily just stop reading, and move on to another post, or something else, and that might be the appropriate action for some. But these words on this post that is just not quite right, or no where close to right is still there for others to read.
It reminds me of years ago, while working as a security supervisor at a hotel, of occasionally coming across pornographic magazines left in the hallways. Now I could be tempted to look at them, or I could ignore them, or I could just throw them away. But then others might still find them and fall for/to their destructiveness. As a Christian I developed a plan for finding them in the future. "Find it, fold it, and fling it." Find it, and don't look at the cover and be enticed by that, and then want to see more. NO!!! Fold that magazine in half immediately so as not to see the cover. Then don't just throw it away for someone else to find. Take it to the trash compactor and fling it all the way to the back, and push the button to move it to a place where it will become irretrievable (at least by me and others in the hotel.) Now not everyone has access to a trash compactor, but come up with a similar plan for dealing with your own temptations, something that is practical, workable, and effective.
So when we find posts on this website, posts maybe we don't think we necessarily should REPORT, how should we respond? Argue, debate, teach,... ? I would like to hear from you.

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I ask the person to present, from scripture, the defense for the doctrine that they are proclaiming.

I have not seen anyone on this website yet present a true defense for their claimed doctrine from a proper exegesis of scripture. From that I will tell them since they have not demonstrated what they claim to be true from scripture, that they are in error and need to stop promoting their false doctrines and repent.