How to Respond to False Doctrine

Holyroller125 · May 8, 2017

I know the mods are saying just ignore the thread.

Well, that is Biblically wrong. Do you know the story of Jezebel, Ahab, and Elijah?

Jezebel had a wicked agenda, and she even operated under the title: "Minister."
Ahab was passive and allowed Jezebel to do what ever she wanted.
On top of that, Jezebel, heeped prophets that were Eunuch's unto herself [costrated, no balls]. Yes, I said that, a Jezebel [male or female] has to have a passive Ahab or a Eunuch with no balls (figuratively speaking). They allow the bad, ungodly, wicked, and false doctrines to persists in the church.

Unfortunately, it is very popular in a lot of churches to be weak, be passive, and not address issues. To be passive and not address it is just as sinful as the one doing the sin or teaching bad doctrine. If you are going to bow down to Jezebel, you are also bowing down to evil and the devil.

Unfortunately, a lot of churches have gotten into being passive. You can be comfortable with that, and it works for you. However, the Lord is not pleased with you and your church because you bow down to Jezebel, and in essence you are bowing down to the devil and not a real friend of God.

You need to choose are you a friend of God or a friend of the devil? If you are passive, act like Ahab, act like a Eunuch, you are really being a friend of the devil but in a different way. It is hard to pinpoint your sin of being passive and allowing Jezebel to do what ever they want to do in the church.
All the Best,
Holyroller125

Bible Highlighter · May 8, 2017

Sam91 said:
@Hidden In Him I don't know the particulars or how you truly feel about the situation but what I do sense is that you should probably back off for a short while from the annoyance. Arguing about scripture seems to leave me feeling despondent and in need of drawing close to the Lord. 2 timothy 2 Matthew 5:22 and Titus 3:9

I believe that you mean well and could be very correct in what you say.

However, in reading what you posted you seem to have lost control of how you felt lately and ended up being very blunt.

I would suggest that maybe shaking the dust from your feet and blocking said user for a week or two. It will give you less conflict and time to pray for wisdom in how to reply to the user or what to do about it. Hopefully, there will be others ready to recognise and disagee with heresies in the meantime until you are able to do it again with meekness and love.

I hope you can find a solution. God bless you.

In my experience, arguing with Scripture helps me to deepen my own study on the matter. My opponents will come up with a verse I did not catch or they will need more verses to convince them so I go and do more research by searching for some really good articles online.

Yes, there are times your opponents will not see what you are saying many times and they keep repeating the same thing over and over without looking at the actual text plainly in what it says that you have put forth, but if that is the case, I tell that specific person I am moving on because they are not really open to hearing or seeing. They are just interested in pushing their position or agenda alone without even considering whether your belief could be true. In other words, they are not willing to be a good Berean and search the Scriptures to see whether those things be so or not. They are also not willing to accept the idea that the majority of Bible believing churches can be wrong either. For who wants to not feel like they do not belong? That in my opinion is a big part of it. Many Christians made close fellowships or relationships with others who believe a certain way. If they were to no longer accept certain truths by their friends, it could potentially damage or hurt those relationships. People want to feel like they belong some where and that they are accepted. But even Jesus's own disciples had scattered in His darkest hour. So I first and ultimate trust should be in God (in regards to His knowledge and many other things) and not in the comfort of brethren always.

In fact, many times I am attacked for telling others about the truth of God's Word plainly. Jesus said we are to rejoice when this happens.

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jag216 · May 8, 2017

When my conscience speaks to me while reflecting on a post, I take the education personally. But what more can I add? A person disciplined in scripture will see the errors, a person without discipline won't be taught. I find 90% of the time my reaction is usually tailored to me - and it becomes a note to me. The other 10% I start a new post of my own elsewhere if it may help others. It is pointless to rebuke those who are not accountable to me.

Mountainmike · May 8, 2017

That is the problem.
Tradition as used in the bible does not mean what you think. It means handing down of what Jesus taught by apostles and succession by word of mouth and letter.

So tradition does not correct Jesus, it was the way his word was transmitted , indeed the NT was MUCH later.

Sola scriptura is the false man made tradition, made in mediaeval times, even scripture opposes it saying " the foundation of truth is the church" and " stay true to tradition"

That is not to decry scripture, but it is not enough by itself. As evidenced by the many exclusive interpretations of it,

Jesus says his church would be one. So which is the only church that hokds the same doctrine unwavering after 2 millennia, whilst all others bow to populist winds.

yeshuaslavejeff said:
So then the false traditions of man,

supposedly somehow can correct JESUS, and the SCRIPTURE, and the SPIRIT of YHWH !?!? (all of which testify boldly and simply against the false traditions of man)

No. Traditions cannot correct JESUS, or SCRIPTURE, or the SPIRIT of YHWH.

Therefore the testimony of JESUS, the WORD OF GOD, and the SPIRIT OF GOD(YHWH) is faithful and truth and right.

Sam91 · May 8, 2017

Jason0047 said:
In my experience, arguing with Scripture helps me to deepen my own study on the matter. My opponents will come up with a verse I did not catch or they will need more verses to convince them so I go and do more research by searching for some really good articles online.

Yes, there are times your opponents will not see what you are saying many times and they keep repeating the same thing over and over without looking at the actual text plainly in what it says that you have put forth, but if that is the case, I tell that specific person I am moving on because they are not really open to hearing or seeing. They are just interested in pushing their position or agenda alone without even considering whether your belief could be true. In other words, they are not willing to be a good Berean and search the Scriptures to see whether those things be so or not. They are also not willing to accept the idea that the majority of Bible believing churches can be wrong either. For who wants to not feel like they do not belong? That in my opinion is a big part of it. Many Christians made close fellowships or relationships with others who believe a certain way. If they were to no longer accept certain truths by their friends, it could potentially damage or hurt those relationships. People want to feel like they belong some where and that they are accepted. But even Jesus's own disciples had scattered in His darkest hour. So I first and ultimate trust should be in God (in regards to His knowledge and many other things) and not in the comfort of brethren always.

In fact, many times I am attacked for telling others about the truth of God's Word plainly. Jesus said we are to rejoice when this happens.

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I used the word 'argue' as more than a friendly debate.

I avoid 'arguing' over scripture, preferring to understand the other persons view and clarifying where I differ.

If I do see blatant errors which clash completely with scripture I point out that the bible doesn't say it anywhere and what the bible actually states.

tturt · May 8, 2017

OP -Who is defining false doctrine and much more importantly, how is it being defined?

I've noticed that on some of the threads the pattern seems to be:
- an exchange of different perspectives (times when Scriptures are posted to support the point of view),
- there's an increase in the tone that YOUR perspective is really off and "if YOU would only read book, chapter" you would come to the same conclusions as I have since MY perspective/conclusion is the truth.
- if the positions are maintained, there's an increase in the usage of words such as "blasphemous" "demonic" and the discussion moves from different perspectives of Scripture to character attacks.

PeaceJoyLove · May 8, 2017

Hidden In Him said:
I ran into this exact situation recently. There is a brother on this Forum who fits this description in nearly everything he posts. His teachings are from the Serpent, yet so subtle and so seemingly backed up by the word that few notice what he is doing. What's worse is that this brother, when you try to corner him on a false interpretation, which will often require dissecting his posts through accurate interpretation of the Greek, will disqualify any such references claiming that the KJV translation supersedes all Greek analysis. Thus he consistently evades all debate on his arguments, makes you look "inept" because you can prove him wrong through "the Bible," and goes immediately back to spewing heresy even further.

I finally lost it with this man on a thread several days ago, and took to attacking his character since there was no point even trying to deal with him from a theological perspective. And because I basically went after him with an axe, eventually mods shot the thread down and notified me privately that those two posts where I went after the guy were in violation of site policies. I had a civil and decent enough conversation with the mod, but it ended pretty much where Jeff's did: "All they said was stop replying to bad threads, don't even try." Actually, he told me to put a block on the person so that I would never see his posts again. I said, "That solves my problem, but what about everybody else who is reading and will be corrupted by his posts?" I then offered the solution that the Lord brought to me, and he said "Sounds good to me."

It is related to these two responses:

As much as the guy's posts and arguments get under my skin, and as blockheaded as he is, to simply ignore him would be a grave sin. So I have determined I am going to go back to my normal course of action with those who post falsehoods, albeit with a renewed determination to be ready to refute, and refute, and refute, and refute, like a machine, but in a Spirit of love. Normally I can deal with someone in a post or two. This guy I am practically going to have to be resigned to simply talking passed him to everyone else, so as to protect them. As for him personally, I will have to pray for him, and the Lord actually gave me a prophetic dream concerning him, which softens my heart to him somewhat now that I know the interpretation....

The Lord is now speaking to me about what may be the real solution is in such instances: The power of God, i.e. praying that the Lord uses you and/or others to break through the stubbornness of heart in such an individual, similar to how a word of knowledge about a sinner's past or present can cause them to really stop and take you seriously.

This is no easy business. It will require operating in spiritual gifts. Like I said, mine are in interpretation of dreams and visions, and this may help him a little. I'm thinking of telling him about the dream publicly, although I suppose this too may get me red flagged by the moderators if they notice it. But not before I would have a chance to potentially reach him for Christ. But one way or another, given that there is no one to take true spiritual authority over the situation here as in a church context, it will take the power of God to sort it all out, eventually.

That's my current take on the matter, but I am open to suggestions.

To refute deception is the thing to do. However, we must never let it bring us to the point of lashing out in anger and saying things we ought not. The key is to present TRUTH, then leave it in God's hands for the person to either accept or reject it. For we are powerless to overcome freedom to choose. God in HIS wisdom allows freedom to choose. All we can do is point out the error, then leave it alone.

By sharing TRUTH backed with scripts, it presents to others who come to read how what the poster is stating is contrary to what God's inspired Word says. That is all we can do. The rest is between the poster and the LORD...and at least TRUTH has been shared for others to compare.

Just remember Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

We are POWERLESS...the Spirit convicts...and the Spirit is either received or rejected. Move on...be angry and SIN NOT.

RaymondG · May 8, 2017

Hidden In Him said:
This argument raises interesting questions, though. Clearly our Lord did not tolerate the tares among the wheat forever. Inside the churches, there often came a time when judgment would fall on those who were corrupting His church. I could give you a list of probably at least ten different NT passages, but I would start with Revelation 2:20-25. As per my previous posts, I agree with you that merely arguing over matters is more often than not counterproductive, but also as per my posts there should come a time when our Lord moves in some form of judgment, lest the corruption just continue to go on and on forever.

When I read a verse on getting rid of sin and rooting out evil.....I use them to examine myself, not others. The only tares and weeds I pull, are the one inside me. Once my garden is clean and weed free......My neighbors will naturally ask me how I got it this way.....then I can share the gospel. If I continue to focus on others yards, Mine would quickly get out of hand. And if my neighbor sees one weed in my yard, they will not want my advise anyway.

God gives wisdom and knowledge to whom he will. Before I argue with you because you dont know what i know, I have to first argue with God for not giving you the knowledge, or for giving me extra knowledge. I trust God that he will give everyone what they can handle when they can handle it.

Abbagirl2017 · May 8, 2017

Greg Merrill said:
Imagine you are reading a post on CF (Not this one, ), and you start reading some strange stuff, stuff that you have never read in the Bible. It may have a nice sound to it, but it just doesn't seem quite right. It might even be "alluring" or looking like an appealing bait, or appetizer. Then you recognize it. You can almost hear the hiss of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. You know now that this is not the voice of the Spirit, or of Jesus (John 10:27). You could easily just stop reading, and move on to another post, or something else, and that might be the appropriate action for some. But these words on this post that is just not quite right, or no where close to right is still there for others to read.
It reminds me of years ago, while working as a security supervisor at a hotel, of occasionally coming across pornographic magazines left in the hallways. Now I could be tempted to look at them, or I could ignore them, or I could just throw them away. But then others might still find them and fall for/to their destructiveness. As a Christian I developed a plan for finding them in the future. "Find it, fold it, and fling it." Find it, and don't look at the cover and be enticed by that, and then want to see more. NO!!! Fold that magazine in half immediately so as not to see the cover. Then don't just throw it away for someone else to find. Take it to the trash compactor and fling it all the way to the back, and push the button to move it to a place where it will become irretrievable (at least by me and others in the hotel.) Now not everyone has access to a trash compactor, but come up with a similar plan for dealing with your own temptations, something that is practical, workable, and effective.
So when we find posts on this website, posts maybe we don't think we necessarily should REPORT, how should we respond? Argue, debate, teach,... ? I would like to hear from you.

I think we tell the truth .Why say nothing? God's words are the correct and only truth and if we fail to contend won't we give account for it?

Bible Highlighter · May 8, 2017

Sam91 said:
I used the word 'argue' as more than a friendly debate.

I avoid 'arguing' over scripture, preferring to understand the other persons view and clarifying where I differ.

If I do see blatant errors which clash completely with scripture I point out that the bible doesn't say it anywhere and what the bible actually states.

The word "argue" in the Dictionary can be used in reference for debate.

Also, all Scripture is profitable for correction so that the man of God may be perfect unto every good work (2 Timothy 3:16-17). If you correct a person, obviously they would think you may be arguing again them. Paul even called the Galatians as being foolish. This would sound like somebody who wants to just argue, no? Also, the word "argue" can still be used in reference to debate, as well. There is nothing wrong for boldly declaring God's truth as long as we treat each other with love and respect. In our modern culture today, we tend to think of arguing as negative or bad because we associate it with fighting like on Jerry Springer. However, that is not the type of arguing I am talking about. We are told to contend for the faith. We are told to preach the Word, to correct, and to rebuke.

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Sine Nomine · May 8, 2017

Greg Merrill said:
Imagine you are reading a post on CF (Not this one, ), and you start reading some strange stuff, stuff that you have never read in the Bible. It may have a nice sound to it, but it just doesn't seem quite right. It might even be "alluring" or looking like an appealing bait, or appetizer. Then you recognize it. You can almost hear the hiss of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. You know now that this is not the voice of the Spirit, or of Jesus (John 10:27). You could easily just stop reading, and move on to another post, or something else, and that might be the appropriate action for some. But these words on this post that is just not quite right, or no where close to right is still there for others to read.
It reminds me of years ago, while working as a security supervisor at a hotel, of occasionally coming across pornographic magazines left in the hallways. Now I could be tempted to look at them, or I could ignore them, or I could just throw them away. But then others might still find them and fall for/to their destructiveness. As a Christian I developed a plan for finding them in the future. "Find it, fold it, and fling it." Find it, and don't look at the cover and be enticed by that, and then want to see more. NO!!! Fold that magazine in half immediately so as not to see the cover. Then don't just throw it away for someone else to find. Take it to the trash compactor and fling it all the way to the back, and push the button to move it to a place where it will become irretrievable (at least by me and others in the hotel.) Now not everyone has access to a trash compactor, but come up with a similar plan for dealing with your own temptations, something that is practical, workable, and effective.
So when we find posts on this website, posts maybe we don't think we necessarily should REPORT, how should we respond? Argue, debate, teach,... ? I would like to hear from you.

False Doctrine is pretty strong language.

Doctrine (teachings) are things that are usually talked about in connection with specific denominations and frequently differ (sometimes dramatically) even within denominations that subscribe to the tenets of the Nicene Creed. E.g. I saw one response saying that a response to a female poster would be different than to a male (reflecting a doctrinal position on "male-only leadership" that is not universally held by Christians).

In your example of tempting material found in your hotel, you may discard it (it's your hotel), but this is true of any unclaimed material you find there.

On CF, the material is not unclaimed, it is the opinion/beliefs/views/discourse of sinners who belong to God, not to anyone of us. People who have an eternal destiny and whom we have obligations toward as Christians. CF has some rules that they may enforce. But, to attempt to enforce ones own version of doctrinal purity assumes that they have the one true doctrine (always a concern when I hear that, for all have sinned and fallen short). Conversation, debate, discourse, questioning and answering are good approaches in most every case.

Even if you think you hear the hiss of the serpent, wouldn't you rather argue and by winsome words perhaps win a wayward child to his loving savior?

Sanoy · May 8, 2017

I think our first instinct with an OP teaching false doctrine is to "try to help a brother in Christ" who is simply misled. Sometimes that is the case but sometimes they are filled with the doctrine of demons. These cases require a different approach. I can't tell you how many posts I have seen on this forum from people who claim to receive it directly from "god". In those cases the OP becomes a mouse trap - it's made for you to reach into it and get your hands cut. Just like the magazines in the hallway even words have traps and snares.

Your first instinct is to try to jump into it with the first thing that comes to your mind to hold it back but the best thing you can do is be patient and study it from every angle until you are satisfied with your response. Wait until you see the right path through the tripwires, because they are there, just like the magazine. Disarm it like a bomb, carefully cutting only the necessary wires. All the other wires are part of the person, if you hit one of those they will come at you like crazy because this bomb is part of their world and what makes them "special" in their eyes. They feed off of it and derive their identity from it.

GeorgeJ · May 8, 2017

Sine Nomine said:
False Doctrine is pretty strong language.

Yup....and what is "false" can differ from denomination to denomination.

For instance, Baptists (for the most part) don't allow women in the pulpit....Methodists do allow them. Is this false doctrine? Or is it doctrinal differences? Depends on who you ask, and how "fundamental" they are. For me, this ain't even worth arguing about. But for some others, it's tantamount to inviting satan to preach in your service.

S. Tellez · May 8, 2017

Greg Merrill said:
Imagine you are reading a post on CF (Not this one, ), and you start reading some strange stuff, stuff that you have never read in the Bible. It may have a nice sound to it, but it just doesn't seem quite right. It might even be "alluring" or looking like an appealing bait, or appetizer. Then you recognize it. You can almost hear the hiss of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. You know now that this is not the voice of the Spirit, or of Jesus (John 10:27). You could easily just stop reading, and move on to another post, or something else, and that might be the appropriate action for some. But these words on this post that is just not quite right, or no where close to right is still there for others to read.
It reminds me of years ago, while working as a security supervisor at a hotel, of occasionally coming across pornographic magazines left in the hallways. Now I could be tempted to look at them, or I could ignore them, or I could just throw them away. But then others might still find them and fall for/to their destructiveness. As a Christian I developed a plan for finding them in the future. "Find it, fold it, and fling it." Find it, and don't look at the cover and be enticed by that, and then want to see more. NO!!! Fold that magazine in half immediately so as not to see the cover. Then don't just throw it away for someone else to find. Take it to the trash compactor and fling it all the way to the back, and push the button to move it to a place where it will become irretrievable (at least by me and others in the hotel.) Now not everyone has access to a trash compactor, but come up with a similar plan for dealing with your own temptations, something that is practical, workable, and effective.
So when we find posts on this website, posts maybe we don't think we necessarily should REPORT, how should we respond? Argue, debate, teach,... ? I would like to hear from you.

You mean kinda like God punishing the innocent when it is clearly an abomination and clearly assigning evil to God Himself (aka penal substitution)? You know, that false gospel that isn't even found in scripture? The scripture that most Christians don't even go by? ALL FALSE DOCTRINE PORTRAYS GOD AS UNJUST. And the truth doesn't go by consensus.

devin553344 · May 8, 2017

Greg Merrill said:
Imagine you are reading a post on CF (Not this one, ), and you start reading some strange stuff, stuff that you have never read in the Bible. It may have a nice sound to it, but it just doesn't seem quite right. It might even be "alluring" or looking like an appealing bait, or appetizer. Then you recognize it. You can almost hear the hiss of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. You know now that this is not the voice of the Spirit, or of Jesus (John 10:27). You could easily just stop reading, and move on to another post, or something else, and that might be the appropriate action for some. But these words on this post that is just not quite right, or no where close to right is still there for others to read.
It reminds me of years ago, while working as a security supervisor at a hotel, of occasionally coming across pornographic magazines left in the hallways. Now I could be tempted to look at them, or I could ignore them, or I could just throw them away. But then others might still find them and fall for/to their destructiveness. As a Christian I developed a plan for finding them in the future. "Find it, fold it, and fling it." Find it, and don't look at the cover and be enticed by that, and then want to see more. NO!!! Fold that magazine in half immediately so as not to see the cover. Then don't just throw it away for someone else to find. Take it to the trash compactor and fling it all the way to the back, and push the button to move it to a place where it will become irretrievable (at least by me and others in the hotel.) Now not everyone has access to a trash compactor, but come up with a similar plan for dealing with your own temptations, something that is practical, workable, and effective.
So when we find posts on this website, posts maybe we don't think we necessarily should REPORT, how should we respond? Argue, debate, teach,... ? I would like to hear from you.

I agree, this is the work of the false prophet. Many read the bible and interpret it for themselves and fall short of God's truth. Or they have some church leader interpret it for them. God created the bible and often He is the only one that can teach it. Which is why we have the Holy Ghost and Prophets of God to teach us.

But as far as comparing the posts in this forum to porn. I would have to say, that is not correct. Porn is not allowed in this forum. The intent of this forum is to have many Christian faiths come together to share their beliefs and they're not all going to agree. And that SHOULD be allowed. And that is the spirit of this forum. God Bless and Good luck

And you should read the forum rules just to make sure your in correct spirit of the forum guidelines God Bless freedom of religion!

yeshuaslavejeff · May 8, 2017

TurtleAnne said:
I think the easiest and most reliable way to respond is by simply quoting relevant scripture and just leaving it at that. For example if you think that the scripture contradicts what a post says, then quote the scripture that contradicts it. Allow the scripture to speak for itself, rather than trying to speak for it.

Very Good, yet fails over half the time here,
since Scripture is not the only nor the most common Authority on cf.
If no one deviated from Scripture, or
from trusting YHWH ABBA SOVEREIGN ALMIGHTY CREATOR,
it would make a world of difference.

S. Tellez · May 8, 2017

Greg Merrill said:
Imagine you are reading a post on CF (Not this one, ), and you start reading some strange stuff, stuff that you have never read in the Bible. It may have a nice sound to it, but it just doesn't seem quite right. It might even be "alluring" or looking like an appealing bait, or appetizer. Then you recognize it. You can almost hear the hiss of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. You know now that this is not the voice of the Spirit, or of Jesus (John 10:27). You could easily just stop reading, and move on to another post, or something else, and that might be the appropriate action for some. But these words on this post that is just not quite right, or no where close to right is still there for others to read.
It reminds me of years ago, while working as a security supervisor at a hotel, of occasionally coming across pornographic magazines left in the hallways. Now I could be tempted to look at them, or I could ignore them, or I could just throw them away. But then others might still find them and fall for/to their destructiveness. As a Christian I developed a plan for finding them in the future. "Find it, fold it, and fling it." Find it, and don't look at the cover and be enticed by that, and then want to see more. NO!!! Fold that magazine in half immediately so as not to see the cover. Then don't just throw it away for someone else to find. Take it to the trash compactor and fling it all the way to the back, and push the button to move it to a place where it will become irretrievable (at least by me and others in the hotel.) Now not everyone has access to a trash compactor, but come up with a similar plan for dealing with your own temptations, something that is practical, workable, and effective.
So when we find posts on this website, posts maybe we don't think we necessarily should REPORT, how should we respond? Argue, debate, teach,... ? I would like to hear from you.

What if the magazine came out compacted on the surface of the block of trash? Oh Em Gee! WHAT DO WE DO NOW????? IT CANT BE FOLDED!!!

chihwahli · May 8, 2017

No human doctrine or explanation of the bible is perfect, there is always a part God , part human in it. There is no way around it. The bible says if we tell the things of the bible, like in prophecy , we prophecy in parts (1 Corinthians 13:9).

Thus, it is not possible to say, I know the whole truth. No one does! Only God.

That means there is a possibility that the truth you have accepted as truth is actually part truth part lie.

Saying things like you hear almost the serpent hissing when you hear someone talking about something is also not very good i think. You know, the serpent is cunning. Truth he twist to lie and lie he twist to truth. To think you know THE truth as God intended is already a lie. A huge lie!
So, don't pin yourself tight at your so called truth.

I think every Christian stream has lies and truth. Just compare first century apostles with the Christians nowadays. Jesus never changed the way we mentor and teach lam to become sheep. But we humans changed the way apostles are taught and what they should know and do.

Every stream in Christianity has its own things like sabbath, healing, bible knowledge, evangelizing, and everyone says his / her thing is the most important. So who is right? Actually they are all wrong. The combination of everything Jesus did that makes us real apostles. The bible is very clear at what level apostles should and must function. If you are not there yet, you know what you need to learn from God himself (Holy Spirit). You know Holy Spirit can talk to you right????? Yes it is written in the bible. Persons can talk. God the Father is a person, Jesus is both God in human form, Holy spirit is a person as well, otherwise he cannot be called Jesus' "replacement".....

so, did God tell you things today. He always says the truth, you start learning today How to concern and identify the voice (s) from God.

Only then know when to say something, do something, etc. Otherwise you and I just work from our own flesh....

Greg Merrill said:
Imagine you are reading a post on CF (Not this one, ), and you start reading some strange stuff, stuff that you have never read in the Bible. It may have a nice sound to it, but it just doesn't seem quite right. It might even be "alluring" or looking like an appealing bait, or appetizer. Then you recognize it. You can almost hear the hiss of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. You know now that this is not the voice of the Spirit, or of Jesus (John 10:27). You could easily just stop reading, and move on to another post, or something else, and that might be the appropriate action for some. But these words on this post that is just not quite right, or no where close to right is still there for others to read.
It reminds me of years ago, while working as a security supervisor at a hotel, of occasionally coming across pornographic magazines left in the hallways. Now I could be tempted to look at them, or I could ignore them, or I could just throw them away. But then others might still find them and fall for/to their destructiveness. As a Christian I developed a plan for finding them in the future. "Find it, fold it, and fling it." Find it, and don't look at the cover and be enticed by that, and then want to see more. NO!!! Fold that magazine in half immediately so as not to see the cover. Then don't just throw it away for someone else to find. Take it to the trash compactor and fling it all the way to the back, and push the button to move it to a place where it will become irretrievable (at least by me and others in the hotel.) Now not everyone has access to a trash compactor, but come up with a similar plan for dealing with your own temptations, something that is practical, workable, and effective.
So when we find posts on this website, posts maybe we don't think we necessarily should REPORT, how should we respond? Argue, debate, teach,... ? I would like to hear from you.

staffsgt7 · May 8, 2017

Greg Merrill said:
Imagine you are reading a post on CF (Not this one, ), and you start reading some strange stuff, stuff that you have never read in the Bible. It may have a nice sound to it, but it just doesn't seem quite right. It might even be "alluring" or looking like an appealing bait, or appetizer. Then you recognize it. You can almost hear the hiss of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. You know now that this is not the voice of the Spirit, or of Jesus (John 10:27). You could easily just stop reading, and move on to another post, or something else, and that might be the appropriate action for some. But these words on this post that is just not quite right, or no where close to right is still there for others to read.
It reminds me of years ago, while working as a security supervisor at a hotel, of occasionally coming across pornographic magazines left in the hallways. Now I could be tempted to look at them, or I could ignore them, or I could just throw them away. But then others might still find them and fall for/to their destructiveness. As a Christian I developed a plan for finding them in the future. "Find it, fold it, and fling it." Find it, and don't look at the cover and be enticed by that, and then want to see more. NO!!! Fold that magazine in half immediately so as not to see the cover. Then don't just throw it away for someone else to find. Take it to the trash compactor and fling it all the way to the back, and push the button to move it to a place where it will become irretrievable (at least by me and others in the hotel.) Now not everyone has access to a trash compactor, but come up with a similar plan for dealing with your own temptations, something that is practical, workable, and effective.
So when we find posts on this website, posts maybe we don't think we necessarily should REPORT, how should we respond? Argue, debate, teach,... ? I would like to hear from you.

When I read this in the Vatican II catechism, and then realizing not only the Pope and clergy that put it in there but all the ones thereafter that have said nothing, did nothing and allowed it to stay... well, I tell many but few listen that this is pure blasphemy.

#841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

allah is not God and can more easily be compared to Satan! (allah is a deceiver, demands to be worshiped... or else you die, hates, never said its name is YHWH, etc) But one would have to do something that I gather they do not do but would rather listen to moslems who proclaim they are Abrahamic therefore... blah blah blah.

moslems don't read the Bible, they read the koran. the koran has Abraham.

koran 60:4 There has already been for you an excellent example in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, "Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone" except for the saying of Abraham to his father, "I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allah . Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination.

Notice the words 'excellent example' that is also how mohamed is described. But it is qualified by '... we are disassociated from you... you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone...'

BUT YOU MAY NOT IMITATE Abraham when asking for forgiveness for you... "I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allah"

So when the moslem world gets a greeting from us that say 'we should be like Abraham' - to moslems that means that we (moslems) should hate you.

chihwahli · May 8, 2017

There are two types of spirits I think. from God and from the devil. Simple non?
Since we are reborn, our reborn spirit can hear both of them! Yes, we do! Just think about it when you last time heard something like: ohh you are not so beautiful. Or I am a loser. These two sentences can have 2 sources: Either it is your thinking (your soul) that is saying these things or a demon or a few more are dumping negative thoughts onto you. The important thing is, what do you do at that moment? Do you accept the trash or discard it somehow?

some of the so called Christians who say they can hear God speak to them. And God told you already that you have to learn to identify who's voice that is. God? Your flesh (soul) or demon?

If you learned to identify who is who. Then an important step has been made. But be careful who you call to be a false prophet. The high priests in Jesus time accused many true prophets as liars too!

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Since 1991, millions of "believers" have been clearly and obviously deceived and led totally astray by that "unmistakable choice" / the so-called "voice of " the holy Spirit they thought or were told they heard.

Thousands of fellowships have observed this, many of them tragically broken because of that.

There is online a name for the deceptive spirit , whether it is an accurate name or not I don't know and have not searched out or sought,
but it is basically demonic deception, accepted by / because of feelings and emotions and false teachers and false prophets in charge of millions who are listening to them and trusting them and sending them billions of dollars, or millions of dollars anyway....

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