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yeshuaslavejeff

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Easy. What does the Holy Spirit say to you, specifically. Obeying God is always the unmistakable choice.

Notice the 'obvious' difference in the above quote and the next quote.


In the first quote, you do not mention the Bible, nor dwelling on God and His Ways, nor to go to Him with any need.
In the second quote, you do post that you do not listen to the false teachers,
which of course is good,
and that is what my post was about - the danger in thinking someone is speaking by or from the holy spirit, or for someone who thinks they are hearing the holy spirit,
when they are not, as observed worldwide in thousands of fellowships after 1991 in particular.
The trust and the authority is in God and in Scripture, always ,
yes, in Isaiah as you posted, and in all Scripture as well. OT and NT.

The false teachers and misleading spirits are far more widespread than the true teachers and the true spirit of YHWH, the holy Spirit.
But they (the false teachers and lying spirits) "pretend to be" and "sound like" the holy spirit, to most people.

Thus the caution/ warning/ test all spirits claiming to be the holy Spirit, and test all messages claiming to be from God:
 
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I started to read the thread and thought 'Shock! Horror! how could it be that one might find something heterodox here?'.

Partly it should depend on the forum you are in. If you take a non-Nicene position in Traditional Theology Then you should be referred to the statement of purpose. In the Controversial Theology Forum you are likely to find a wide canvas of positions taken and held. I take it that I am here to listen and the learn, not simply to shower the world with my wisdom. So the first cab is to test the proposition and see how it stacks up. Second, if it doesn't stack up, address the post and not the poster, and state the case clearly. Try to limit yourself to no more than about four responses in a given thread.

If the matter is a violation of the CF Rules, then the thread should be reported. If you are not sure, start a PM with an online staff person and get their take on it. Threads that evoke lots of responses help CF raise advertising revenue through the click counts so they may not see things through the same filters that we do.

If the poster is a serial offender, (ie treating it as a platform rather than a forum) then there is a good reason to report a thread that offends. I don't take report as the first bench, unless something is flaming or goading, and it is too much like being in pre-school. I do not see myself as the fount of all wisdom, I am here to listen, the learn, and to share.
 
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@Hidden In Him I don't know the particulars or how you truly feel about the situation but what I do sense is that you should probably back off for a short while from the annoyance. Arguing about scripture seems to leave me feeling despondent and in need of drawing close to the Lord. 2 timothy 2 Matthew 5:22 and Titus 3:9

I believe that you mean well and could be very correct in what you say.

However, in reading what you posted you seem to have lost control of how you felt lately and ended up being very blunt.

I would suggest that maybe shaking the dust from your feet and blocking said user for a week or two. It will give you less conflict and time to pray for wisdom in how to reply to the user or what to do about it. Hopefully, there will be others ready to recognise and disagee with heresies in the meantime until you are able to do it again with meekness and love.

I hope you can find a solution. God bless you.
 
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The problem you have is that 99 percent of what you read must fall into that category, whether you recognise it or not, indeed how can you be sure YOUR version is the false doctrine?.

It is a sad fact that post reformation protestants now have mutually exclusive doctrine on almost every aspect of christian doctrine.

There are several mutually EXCLUSIVE doctrines on
Eucharist
Baptism
Salvation
God Head/Trinity
Pro life or choice
End Times
Clergy/ Succession
LGBT issues
Divorce and remarriage
Role of Church and Authority
What constitutes scripture
Down to arcane matters, like...what happens if a child dies pre baptism?

And many other issues
In short tens of thousands of permutations , only ONE of which can be true.

And they are exclusive. Take the myriad of versions of salvation. Once saved always saved, saved but can lose it, not saved to the end of the journey by grace , or doubly or singly predestined, are alternative. They cannot be simultaneously true - so there are many False doctrines, only one true. Saved by faith. Is baptism essential? The importance of works of charity or of the law....the list goes on.

Viewed through the lens of one denomination, others are seen as "false teaching"

And the obvious truth, supported by history and scripture is that sola scriptura itself is the problem. Which is clearly a false doctrine - amply proven by the fact that scripture says the "pillar of truth is the church" not scripture.. Scripture is not a complete manual of christian life, nor does it claim to be. There are clearly many interpretations as you see above and "somethign else other than scripture" is needed to resolve them. As you see from the list of permutations "asking the holy spirit for guidance" has not helped most who have stated that as the way to resolve differences.

So the question to be asked is how did Jesus tell you what was true teaching.
The answer is he did not give you a book...not surprising, few could read, and even if they could it would be almost two millenia before average person could own a bible.

Jesus gave you apostles and the succession to pass on the truth - the process called "paradosis" - (now translated as tradition, but the colloquial meaning of that in 21st century has lost what it meant back then). That is why apostle paul told you to "stay true to tradition we taught you by word of mouth and letter" - elsewhere - "how can they preach if they are not sent?"

Jesus also specified the authority to resolve arguments of doctrine - the power to bind and loose - given to apostles together (and manifested by decisions of councils including those that formed your new testament centuries on) - and also to successors of Peter, the office of keys to whom he said "tend my flock"

So study what the apostles handed on. See that in the early church fathers writing. Take ignatius to Smyrneans - he and polycarp disciples of john the apostles - clearly stating that a valid eucharist was the body and blood of our lord, and that only a bishop or his appointee could perform it. Or study ignatius, see reference to infant baptism. See augustine quoting the list of popes as scucessors of peter as the authority against donatism, see the doctrine of those who chose your new testament, vociferous on the intercession of Mary And so on.

So of the many versions of eucharist you cannot make up your own meaning from scripture. The truth is the truth and has always been, and it is there in early church fathers.

But coming back to your point, there are those who will regard any other version than their own as false doctrine.

Sola scriptura - the false man made tradition of the reformation - was the father of 10000 schisms. Scripture is truth. But is not enough by itself. The parts that are missing are authority , and tradition (in the real meaning not the contemporary one)

 
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So then the false traditions of man,

supposedly somehow can correct JESUS, and the SCRIPTURE, and the SPIRIT of YHWH !?!? (all of which testify boldly and simply against the false traditions of man)

No. Traditions cannot correct JESUS, or SCRIPTURE, or the SPIRIT of YHWH.

Therefore the testimony of JESUS, the WORD OF GOD, and the SPIRIT OF GOD(YHWH) is faithful and truth and right.
 
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That's the thing I'm terrified of... man made doctrine. So much so I only trust what I read in the bible and take on board what I'm taught at Church but not holding it as necessarily correct. It only takes a word out of a verse or maybe a couple taken out of context, or too much emphasis and you have false teachings.

The OSAS question has bugged me since I heard a very good preacher saying you can not lose your salvation. I agree with all his other teachings, so far. I ignored the question. Brought it to my old church and they agree with it.

I see scripture holding for both sides. More against than for tho. Proverbs 3:5-7 seems to help though. I will trust in the Lord to guide me right, protect me from false treachings through His Holy Spirit and the reading of His word. Trusting not in what people or myself have taught me to be true, ready to learn and never believing I have it completely correct. It will be a life long learning curve but thankfully I see understanding deepening with the Lord affirming through life events the Truth of His perfect word. I think you really need to walk it to understand it.
 
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I'll be honest- a great deal of what I see posted here at CF tends to fall into that false doctrine/doctrines of man category. I don't report most of it because most people here buy into it. It's pretty overwhelming at times, actually. Some of it is obviously so far out there that even people that believe in false doctrines recognize it as being what it is- and those things should be reported when seen (ex. not believing in the Holy Trinity or the Resurrection of Christ). Most of the time it is only when folks go on a crusade trying to put down the faith out of their ignorance that I will post anything to try to set them straight. I spent years going out of my way to do that. I don't bother nearly as much as I once did.
 
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Based on my experiences thus far on CF in regards to responding to false doctrine I can definitely say that you have to watch how you address it. You may get slapped with a warning for roasting/goading if you quote scripture to a person who is in fact under the description of what a hypocrite is or any other remark used in the Bible that is in direct relation to a false doctrine displayed on CF.

For example if someone posts a thread that says " I believe that I'm saved and can be a homosexual. The truth is in me and nobody can tell me different because only God can judge me. Because the Bible says in John 3:16 that He died for everyone. "

This is clearly a false doctrine. In addressing this, YOU CAN NOT GET AROUND OFFENDING THIS PERSON. You would literally offend them with JUST USING THE SCRIPTURES.

The problem is that people take it personal and not spiritual, thus the reason for such warnings. I don't think it's fair. To be a Christian does mean to be controversial at times and it's always going to offend someone who is displaying false doctrine. It's hard to be an authentic Christian as taught in the Bible..

On Christian Forums because they have many rules in place to keep the " peace. " But JESUS Himself said I did not come to bring PEACE..but a Sword. (( context important here obviously ))

And so to answer this question, from my personal experiences thus far here, I have to say that you would have to respond to a false doctrine very very carefully. Here on CF you have to really articulate what you are addressing and make it clearly known that you are not at all taking a personal shot at the PERSON posting the false doctrine, but the false doctrine itself.

It has to be so elaborate that at the end of the the post it should leave no question as to who/what you are addressing. The person should not at all feel personally violated but should be aware that it is only the false doctrine that's being addressed.
 
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I think you really need to walk it to understand it.
Keep living by faith as you posted.
Jesus and others pointed out in SCRIPTURE that no one understands God's Word
unless ABBA YHWH the CREATOR grants it from heaven - and HE DELIGHTS to reveal the truth about all things to babes, for HE ENJOYS DOING SO.

As for all the disciples:
" Then opened HE their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,"
So also for everyone
if He is Pleased to grant understanding.
 
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and HE DELIGHTS to reveal the truth about all things to babes
After comparing our injuries with my toddler (he has scabbed knee, i have scabbed ankle) we just were talking aboyt God.

He said 'I yike dod' = I like God
'Dod is beyie big' = God is very big.

I was infact talking about Him living in our hearts, mine and his, and Him living in the sky. (What I refer to as heaven for him as he doesn't have the use of words yet so it will be a metaphor). He really does reveal his Truth to children. For example, Christmas day we had a massive pile of presents. I brought toddler downstairs. He ran yo the pile and selected a small one. It hapoened to be his and was infact a kids bible. It was a prompt lesson to us all to stop and pray, praise and thank the Lord.
 
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Well, they didn't like Jesus' Liberal teaching about God being a Loving, forgiving Father to each individual, so they reported him to the moderators of Judaism. The moderators sent out spies and theology lawyers to entangle him in hopes of publically embarrassing him. They also said he was from Satan. I notice that the defenders of the thousands of contending doctrines in Christendom usually end up making the same accusation, anything different is from Satan. Isn't it remarkable how much faith people have in Satan???? It's as if they believe in his power more than the true God????

Satan was defeated, only his meme and the confusion of the fall is left in his wake. Temptation and projects of wickedness come from our own heart. If we want to change then we need to own that fact.
 
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I appreciate this, brother. I think this would be especially good advice if I ever encounter myself getting seriously upset again. That should be a warning sign right there the nothing good is about to happen.
I believe that you mean well and could be very correct in what you say. However, in reading what you posted you seem to have lost control of how you felt lately and ended up being very blunt.

Yes, and I have a big problem with getting very blunt, and quite frankly very ugly once I've lost contain.
I would suggest that maybe shaking the dust from your feet and blocking said user for a week or two. It will give you less conflict and time to pray for wisdom in how to reply to the user or what to do about it.

Actually, it didn't take that long for God to deal with me. I think within a day or so I was realizing, "uh oh... not good... I think I messed up." How strange that you can be in a regular habit of obeying the scriptures and yet get so sidetracked from them as to eventually see sin as righteousness.
Hopefully, there will be others ready to recognise and disagee with heresies in the meantime until you are able to do it again with meekness and love. I hope you can find a solution. God bless you.

This was a very nice, very considerate and caring post to me, Sam. I hope I can be as much of a help to you some day. Many blessings, in Christ Jesus.
 
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(I'm actually a sister but prefer to be gender neutral on here. Hehe.)

You're welcome. I'm glad you took my response as intended. I thought you would though.

The reason I suggested a week or two was although we learn quickly sometimes I find it takes longer for the seed to grow into into a deeper lesson
 
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(I'm actually a sister but prefer to be gender neutral on here. Hehe.)

A Ha Ha! I checked! That's no fair!

Guess that explains the good heart. And if that's case.... anytime, sister, anytime.

You're welcome. I'm glad you took my response as intended. I thought you would though.

The reason I suggested a week or two was although we learn quickly sometimes I find it takes longer for the seed to grow into into a more deeper lesson

God bless you, my dear. Whoever, whatever, and wherever you are. <chuckle>
 
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One thing I have had to come to grips with is recognize my limitations "to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict." Titus 1:9. The way I see it, the apostle Paul had a similar confrontation in Acts 13. Rather than debate he had to use his authority to physically cripple Elymas the magician. We don't get that kind of power. The only two things we have at our disposal are firmly knowing the terms of service, the forum guidelines of CF. Then we can report where actions can be taken. Second, making better arguments and responses to false teachings.
 
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I think the easiest and most reliable way to respond is by simply quoting relevant scripture and just leaving it at that. For example if you think that the scripture contradicts what a post says, then quote the scripture that contradicts it. Allow the scripture to speak for itself, rather than trying to speak for it.

In the case of someone mentioning something that you don't think is actually anywhere in the scripture, then you can politely ask for where in the scripture it states what the poster is claiming, because you don't remember that part and want to see what they're looking at.

If it boils down to multiple people looking at a scripture section but interpreting it differently, the funny thing about that is that both people could easily wind up believing that the other is a whispering snake, as put in this thread. When actually those thoughts could be the whispering snake itself heh. Maybe the Holy Spirit is capable of helping different people perceive some things slightly differently depending on what different people need spiritually in their life at the time, but now both people will ignore that due argue with each other instead.

For example, in my own perception, a lot of scripture verses have multiple layers of meaning, because they're just awesome like that.

Judge not lest ye be judged. Also makes sense from a purely practical interpersonal angle, in addition to a divine angle.

The verses about not arguing with "fools" and so on, same thing. Since maybe someone is a fool and maybe they are not, but wasting time debating people you think are fools instead of focusing on what the Holy Spirit is trying to communicate for your own life, is probably a waste of time.
 
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If someone post anything other than faith in Christ as the means for Salvation, then I will often post a reply. If it is a debate on OSAS or 4/5 Point Calvinism, I MAY reply in a short sentence but usually those threads are SO long that it just gets redundant after a while...
 
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This goes both ways. As Gandalf said, don't be so quick to deal out death and judgment, even the very wise cannot see all ends.

I've heard preachers plenty of times preach
messages mixed with leaven out of sincerity simply because they could see no farther then where they were at, which quite frankly is noemal.

God is more in control then we give him credit for, or there would have been no serpent in the garden to begin with.
 
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