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< shrugs > You're totally wrong, that's all I remember at this point.
I have no idea what your label is even, it doesn't matter, I was referring to what you posted.
Good for you. You got class.you know what? You're absolutely right. I'm sorry, so I will add in my last reply for him to PM me. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of what his post meant. Besides Jesus says to confront one another and if nothing gets resolved then dust myself off and then move on.
Thanks.
Quite right. The part that is interesting is those who use the cultic approach don't know the difference between an assertion and an argument. There is a difference. When I point this out they tend to get a bit defensive.Unfortunately, you are probably quite right. We will have to put up with this like we do spams, hoaxes, scammers, and viruses.
Imagine you are reading a post on CF (Not this one,), and you start reading some strange stuff, stuff that you have never read in the Bible. It may have a nice sound to it, but it just doesn't seem quite right. It might even be "alluring" or looking like an appealing bait, or appetizer. Then you recognize it. You can almost hear the hiss of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. You know now that this is not the voice of the Spirit, or of Jesus (John 10:27). You could easily just stop reading, and move on to another post, or something else, and that might be the appropriate action
Imagine you are reading a post on CF (Not this one,), and you start reading some strange stuff, stuff that you have never read in the Bible. It may have a nice sound to it, but it just doesn't seem quite right. It might even be "alluring" or looking like an appealing bait, or appetizer. Then you recognize it. You can almost hear the hiss of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. You know now that this is not the voice of the Spirit, or of Jesus (John 10:27). You could easily just stop reading, and move on to another post, or something else, and that might be the appropriate action for some. But these words on this post that is just not quite right, or no where close to right is still there for others to read.
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So when we find posts on this website, posts maybe we don't think we necessarily should REPORT, how should we respond? Argue, debate, teach,... ? I would like to hear from you.
Yes, as you witnessed today.Imagine you are reading a post on CF (Not this one,), and you start reading some strange stuff,
Really ? Then why the next quote >>>So when we find posts on this website, posts maybe we don't think we necessarily should REPORT, how should we respond? Argue, debate, teach,... ? I would like to hear from you.
"your own business" was this thread was what was going on in your own thread,Seeing you both are going back and forth on my original thread, I though I would step in here and say "Sounds like you both ought to just drop it and move on, or start another thread to carry this on. Just saying... or I could just mind my own business....
It's up to you now,Good for you. You got class.
I agree there is some pretty strange stuff out there, but there is also (in my opinion) some pretty strange stuff that mainstream Christianity considers "sound doctrine". The most difficult person to talk to is someone who is unwilling to question his or her own absolute faith in their "sound doctrine." Eventually, I had to walk away.Imagine you are reading a post on CF (Not this one,), and you start reading some strange stuff, stuff that you have never read in the Bible. It may have a nice sound to it, but it just doesn't seem quite right. It might even be "alluring" or looking like an appealing bait, or appetizer. Then you recognize it. You can almost hear the hiss of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. You know now that this is not the voice of the Spirit, or of Jesus (John 10:27). You could easily just stop reading, and move on to another post, or something else, and that might be the appropriate action for some. But these words on this post that is just not quite right, or no where close to right is still there for others to read.
It reminds me of years ago, while working as a security supervisor at a hotel, of occasionally coming across pornographic magazines left in the hallways. Now I could be tempted to look at them, or I could ignore them, or I could just throw them away. But then others might still find them and fall for/to their destructiveness. As a Christian I developed a plan for finding them in the future. "Find it, fold it, and fling it." Find it, and don't look at the cover and be enticed by that, and then want to see more. NO!!! Fold that magazine in half immediately so as not to see the cover. Then don't just throw it away for someone else to find. Take it to the trash compactor and fling it all the way to the back, and push the button to move it to a place where it will become irretrievable (at least by me and others in the hotel.) Now not everyone has access to a trash compactor, but come up with a similar plan for dealing with your own temptations, something that is practical, workable, and effective.
So when we find posts on this website, posts maybe we don't think we necessarily should REPORT, how should we respond? Argue, debate, teach,... ? I would like to hear from you.
This is no easy business. It will require operating in spiritual gifts. Like I said, mine are in interpretation of dreams and visions, and this may help him a little. I'm thinking of telling him about the dream publicly, although I suppose this too may get me red flagged by the moderators if they notice it.
I was going along with the flow until we got to this nonsense. Dreams and visions? Seriously? That's how cults get started. You might want to rethink those "gifts".
Imagine you are reading a post on CF (Not this one,), and you start reading some strange stuff, stuff that you have never read in the Bible. It may have a nice sound to it, but it just doesn't seem quite right. It might even be "alluring" or looking like an appealing bait, or appetizer. Then you recognize it. You can almost hear the hiss of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. You know now that this is not the voice of the Spirit, or of Jesus (John 10:27). You could easily just stop reading, and move on to another post, or something else, and that might be the appropriate action for some. But these words on this post that is just not quite right, or no where close to right is still there for others to read.
It reminds me of years ago, while working as a security supervisor at a hotel, of occasionally coming across pornographic magazines left in the hallways. Now I could be tempted to look at them, or I could ignore them, or I could just throw them away. But then others might still find them and fall for/to their destructiveness. As a Christian I developed a plan for finding them in the future. "Find it, fold it, and fling it." Find it, and don't look at the cover and be enticed by that, and then want to see more. NO!!! Fold that magazine in half immediately so as not to see the cover. Then don't just throw it away for someone else to find. Take it to the trash compactor and fling it all the way to the back, and push the button to move it to a place where it will become irretrievable (at least by me and others in the hotel.) Now not everyone has access to a trash compactor, but come up with a similar plan for dealing with your own temptations, something that is practical, workable, and effective.
So when we find posts on this website, posts maybe we don't think we necessarily should REPORT, how should we respond? Argue, debate, teach,... ? I would like to hear from you.
Good example, "no offense taken".... also not just "ahead" of us .... but present for generations in line with GOD'S WORD (the most important test) ...No offense taken, Iben. But please consider what the word says. Peter quoted Joel 2:28 immediately after Pentecost, yet this prophecy refers specifically to those days which are immediately prior to Christ's return (Joel 2:29-31). This means the prophecy's ultimate fulfillment is still ahead of us, not behind it.
it may come out, be brought out in the LIGHT for what it is.If you see or hear false doctrine being taught, you should call them on it.
We are told in Scripture to "Test the Spirits" and to refute and expose those who teach false doctrine.
See e.g. John 3, 1 John 1-5, etc.
also not just "ahead" of us .... but present for generations in line with GOD'S WORD (the most important test) ...
Tests intended to APPROVE something - a positive hope or expectation, with the safeguard that if it is something NOT APPROVED... it may come out, be brought out in the LIGHT for what it is.
Just as it was difficult for Peter and the other new, Jewish Christians, to accept some things that "flew in the face of Judaism" (eating previously called unclean foods, eating with Gentiles, etc.) after 1,500 years of history to the contrary, it may be hard for Christians to accept this outpouring of the Spirit (if the Rapture hasn't already occurred) where God is using dreams (I think of the reports in the Middle East), unlike most of the time of the Church Age.No offense taken, Iben. But please consider what the word says. Peter quoted Joel 2:28 immediately after Pentecost, yet this prophecy refers specifically to those days which are immediately prior to Christ's return (Joel 2:29-31). This means the prophecy's ultimate fulfillment is still ahead of us, not behind it.
Now this isn't meant as an attack, nor even a personal criticism, honestly, and I like what you have said, but I honestly wonder about the trustworthiness of one that would say "I've changed my mind about many issues." That tells me you were either wrong about many issues in the past, or that you are unstable, and change with every wind of doctrine. I don't know you personally, so I am just speaking hypothetically, with no offense intended. I am thinking just intellectually and in general, not emotionally or to be picking on you specifically. I know not everybody is blessed to start of having good teaching, and have to try to overcome some bad teaching. I was blessed to have good teaching from the start, and have rarely had to change my view. Again, no offense intended.I hope you don't think that in the OT Satan had to role of deceiving people into disobeying God's Law and that in the NT he has the role of deceiving people people to into obeying it.
Depending on the situation, there are times when it is good to reply to someone and times when we should not. However, regardless of whether you choose to reply, I think it is important for our own sake to develop the ability to be able to articulate exactly why a doctrine is false and why the doctrine that you hold is true. I don't think there is anyone whose doctrine is 100% true, so it is important to be evaluate ideas in this way where we can identify flaws determine whether there is any merit to a position that we currently disagree with. I know I've changed my mind about many issues through discussion on forums, even about one that I consider to be very important. It also good to be able to determine when continuing to interact with someone is a waste of time. However, on a public forum that needs to be balanced against the fact you aren't just trying to convince the person you are interacting with, but also all of the anonymous readers.
Now this isn't meant as an attack, nor even a personal criticism, honestly, and I like what you have said, but I honestly wonder about the trustworthiness of one that would say "I've changed my mind about many issues." That tells me you were either wrong about many issues in the past, or that you are unstable, and change with every wind of doctrine. I don't know you personally, so I am just speaking hypothetically, with no offense intended. I am thinking just intellectually and in general, not emotionally or to be picking on you specifically. I know not everybody is blessed to start of having good teaching, and have to try to overcome some bad teaching. I was blessed to have good teaching from the start, and have rarely had to change my view. Again, no offense intended.
Thank you for your positive reply. I hope you didn't take offense at what I said before. It doesn't seem like it, and that speaks volumes of good about you. I agree with what you are saying. I also think about something else, not because of what you are saying specifically, but just because of my own past experience. We always hear that Christians need to grow up, mature, and that it takes time, and that we should never stop learning. But I think some people "act/think" like the purpose of the life on earth is just to mature in Christ and then you go to Heaven. What a waste. I think we are to mature in Christ, and then stay on earth for a while to serve in that maturity.I expect believers to change over time. It can be that unless a person is changing, learning new things, they may be stuck in their own 'fortress', sometimes for example from not doing the repentance Christ came to call us to -- as we repent and let go of sins, we become able to progress, and see things in new ways. The lessons we learn from our change are often very helpful to others too. This is one way in which "confess your sins to one another" helps us.
Even Paul would write: "Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me."
Which is surprising at first, but later we begin to understand. It's like a "race" and we must continue, progress.
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