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But when you start trying to convince others by hand is less than...it turns into something else. I think only the Church has the authority to discuss these matters myself. Especially if they think by hand is inferior. When the Church offers the option, nobody has the right to make others feel bad for exercising that option when the Church offered it in the first place.
Would this be another attempt to make those of us who receive in the hand less reverent?Do you know the history of that indult? Its rather shocking.
Would this be another attempt to make those of us who receive in the hand less reverent?
Do you know the history of that indult? Its rather shocking.
I am curious.
I like to know these sort of things.
SPILL IT!
I am curious.
I like to know these sort of things.
SPILL IT!
I guess if we all decide to break the speed limit enough, we can force the authorities to raise it.(and we all hate to go the speed limit).
Argh, your the one always in my way then!Sorry, I think I'm sabotaging that effort. I'm the one who always drives 5 below.
Argh, your the one always in my way then!
I suppose if you stay in the right lane its ok.
Nope, we have marble floors. The only church I have been in with a carpeted sacristy didn't had that problem. To much holy water around maybe.
Go ahead Mark.
Thank you for indulging me.
Our denomination holds to the doctrine of "In Persona Christi" regarding the Eucharistic celebration. For me the reception on the tongue is symbolic of our full submission to our Lord; from his hand directly to my mouth. We have no influence or part in the Divine Mystery, it comes from the Lord, through His word and the elements of bread and wine directly to us. By taking in the hand, for me, it's like I am taking part in the Eucharist rather than humbly submitting to our Lord's command.
Respectfully,
Mark.
If memory serves me correctly; I have read that communion in the hand was initiated without permission during the last century by Bishops in South America from where the practice spread and was put into use elsewhere as well, long before an indult for anywhere was approved, and on previous occasion in some locals, petition for an indult even denied, but the practice still was not halted.
The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy #22 and canon 838 of the Code of Canon Law prohibits taking personal initiatives in the Mass.
Regardless, we have a rather curious phenomenon taking place in the Church that confuses many, where pastors and faithful, (as initially in the case of Communion in the hand as an example among several others), are promulgating personal initiatives into the Mass in disregard of the aforementioned canon and norms that have then resulted in indults which have actually been approved by the Holy See. There are even cases of indults expiring and not being renewed yet the praxis' that were permitted by those indults continue nevertheless.
I know of no other instance of this happening in the history of the Church until recent history. Before this recent history, an indult would require approval before it could be implemented. Recently, certain irregularities initiated via personal initiatives seem to have become indults long after they were put into use without approval. In effects, liturgical abuses are getting approved if they seem to work out rather than corrected.
As the Holy See has seen fit to approve the Bishops petitions for such indults in certain instances, re; the personal initiatives to change things, I must conclude, and chalk it up to a relaxation in discipline and a sort of acknowledgment of the process of paradosis.
I guess if we all decide to break the speed limit enough, we can force the authorities to raise it.(and we all hate to go the speed limit).
That sounds good to me.
Really, I've never had any deep theology behind why I recieve on the tongue. I used to recieve in the hand because it seemed easier, but then I noticed a lot of parishoners who I really respect recieved on the tongue, and then I saw a little boy recieve on the tongue and while kneeling; his face looked so reverent that I ended up recieving on the tongue too.
Marble... You Catholics have all the answers!
I think it was that particular carpet, my present parish has carpet, but no zaps!We are free to receive both ways.
Yea, about the carpet, thats what I was thinking too but if I recall correctly I think static buildup also has something to do with the air conditions. The lack of humidity has to be just right I think. Then of course the scuffing across the carpet does it.
Thank you for indulging me.
Our denomination holds to the doctrine of "In Persona Christi" regarding the Eucharistic celebration. For me the reception on the tongue is symbolic of our full submission to our Lord; from his hand directly to my mouth. We have no influence or part in the Divine Mystery, it comes from the Lord, through His word and the elements of bread and wine directly to us. By taking in the hand, for me, it's like I am taking part in the Eucharist rather than humbly submitting to our Lord's command.
Respectfully,
Mark.
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