How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jan 11, 2020

dad said:
I find it also proof that some people disbelieve for no reason and deny and doubt as it suits their desire to wrap reality and science around a life of sin.

Yes, you do seem to assume a lot about those without your beliefs.

Since hundreds of millions of people have tested it to see if God was true, I would not be quick to call them all liars.

I should hope not - rather, call them misguided or mistaken.

Since Jesus appeared to many hundreds of people after rising from the dead, that is not a matter of being a story anymore.

That is the story...

Since thousands, if not tens of thousands or more were healed of blindness, leprosy, deafness, being lame or even dead, it is beyond reason to pretend it was all some rumor.

The human body has remarkable power of recovery, and appropriate medical treatment can extend that. People do commonly recover from clinical death by some definitions (e.g. cessation of respiration and/or heartbeat), but not from the strictest definition - irreversible cessation of brain activity.

For evidence of potentially miraculous intervention, let me know when an adult amputee has the lost limb restored without medical intervention.

Well, Gabriel does not visit directly from the throne of the Almighty God to tell other moms that the she will conceive wit no man involved at all and that the child would be God.
Most moms would not have an angel appear to an old woman that was way past childbearing who also miraculously got pregnant that also told her Mary was carrying the Holy Child. Nor does a mother find that an angel appears to her husband to assure him she was not cheating, and confirm she was pregnant from God!

All irrelevant distractions to the question asked - how was the baby physically distinguishable from a normal human baby conceived in the usual way?

Scripture records lots of those. That is the name of the game. So do other religions. You trying to wave it all away for no reason says it all.

I'm saying it's simply irrelevant to the question I asked.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jan 11, 2020

dad said:
Science does not say what the poster said that was his opinion. Science has no idea about spirits.

No. Doubting spirits for NO reason overrides nothing!

If you're referring to my posts, where did I express an opinion about spirits?

dad · Jan 11, 2020

Bungle_Bear said:
It appears you do not understand the difference between making a specific claim (Gabriel did not appear) and failing to accept somebody else's claim (I have no reason to believe your claim that Gabriel appeared).

Fine. Long as you make no claims to the contrary as if you knew.

dad · Jan 11, 2020

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
Yes, you do seem to assume a lot about those without your beliefs.

I should hope not - rather, call them misguided or mistaken.

That is the story...

The human body has remarkable power of recovery, and appropriate medical treatment can extend that. People do commonly recover from clinical death by some definitions (e.g. cessation of respiration and/or heartbeat), but not from the strictest definition - irreversible cessation of brain activity.

That is what Jesus did for Himself and others. All believers are slated for the treatment.

For evidence of potentially miraculous intervention, let me know when an adult amputee has the lost limb restored without medical intervention.

That would be no more miraculous than any other healing Jesus did. When a man did not walk all his life and suddenly gets up and leaps for joy, that means that he had basically all new limbs! (or as good as had them)

All irrelevant distractions to the question asked - how was the baby physically distinguishable from a normal human baby conceived in the usual way?

The difference was not physical, thus science is left in the dust. God became a man. One would not look for blood pressure, face characteristics or color of hair to determine what the child was.

dad · Jan 11, 2020

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
If you're referring to my posts, where did I express an opinion about spirits?

The Spirit of God that made Mary pregnant for example. The Spirit of God that was in Jesus. The angels that confirmed it to Joseph and Elizabeth and Zechariah. The Spirit that prophesied about Jesus' life death, and resurrection. The Spirit that spoke from heaven proclaiming Jesus His son. The spirit that healed all the people and raised the dead to life. Etc.
You, for example, said this

"It's not proof of anything, it's just evidence that people believe the story. But people believe all kinds of nonsense."

When a woman has an angel tell her God will make her pregnant and the child would be God, and sure enough, it happens, that is evidence.

pitabread · Jan 11, 2020

dad said:
When a woman has an angel tell her God will make her pregnant and the child would be God, and sure enough, it happens, that is evidence.

No, that's hearsay.

dad · Jan 11, 2020

pitabread said:
No, that's heresay.

No. It is the gospel.

pitabread · Jan 11, 2020

dad said:
No. It is the gospel.

It can be both.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jan 11, 2020

dad said:
When a man did not walk all his life and suddenly gets up and leaps for joy, that means that he had basically all new limbs! (or as good as had them)

Sure - in much the same way that if you squint a little and pray really hard, somebody waking up is basically coming back from the dead (or as good as)...

The difference was not physical, thus science is left in the dust. God became a man. One would not look for blood pressure, face characteristics or color of hair to determine what the child was.

So, the child was physically indistinguishable from a normal human baby, was also understood to not be the husband's, and the mother was claiming that an angel told her that 'god-did-it'...

Right.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jan 11, 2020

pitabread said:
No, that's heresay.

Right next to 'heresy' in the dictionary

pitabread · Jan 11, 2020

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
Right next to 'heresy' in the dictionary

I just realized I completely misspelled that. Oops.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jan 11, 2020

dad said:
The Spirit of God that made Mary pregnant for example. The Spirit of God that was in Jesus. The angels that confirmed it to Joseph and Elizabeth and Zechariah. The Spirit that prophesied about Jesus' life death, and resurrection. The Spirit that spoke from heaven proclaiming Jesus His son. The spirit that healed all the people and raised the dead to life. Etc.
You, for example, said this

"It's not proof of anything, it's just evidence that people believe the story. But people believe all kinds of nonsense."

That says nothing about spirits - whatever they may be - it's about the human propensity to embrace, believe, and embellish stories. It's happened all through history - you can even see it in a comparison of the gospels. 'Homo narrans' - storytelling man.

When a woman has an angel tell her God will make her pregnant and the child would be God, and sure enough, it happens, that is evidence.

It's a story.

Michael · Jan 11, 2020

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
Sure - in much the same way that if you squint a little and pray really hard, somebody waking up is basically coming back from the dead (or as good as)...

Taking it one step further, there have been plenty of people who've been pronounced clinically dead and 'come back to life'. I would argue that "coming back from the dead" is *not* the most important or impressive element of Christ's life/mission on Earth.

Bungle_Bear · Jan 11, 2020

dad said:
When a woman has an angel tell her God will make her pregnant and the child would be God, and sure enough, it happens, that is evidence.

In our society it would be rape, and that's not really anything to be proud of.

Kylie · Jan 11, 2020

dad said:
When a woman has an angel tell her God will make her pregnant and the child would be God, and sure enough, it happens, that is evidence.

And Aurelius foretold that five will die, and the Anointed One would rise form their ashes, and he would lead the Slayer into Hell. And sure enough, that happened. I saw it happen. Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 1, episode 5, "Never Kill a Boy on the First Date." So, that's evidence that Buffy is real.

dad · Jan 11, 2020

pitabread said:
It can be both.

No. It can't. God breathed does not equal the rumor mill.

Kylie · Jan 11, 2020

dad said:
No. It can't. God breathed does not equal the rumor mill.

But when you see some piece of text, how do you tell if it really is God breathed and not just something that you have been told is God breathed?

dad · Jan 11, 2020

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
Sure - in much the same way that if you squint a little and pray really hard, somebody waking up is basically coming back from the dead (or as good as)... [

You seem to be insinuating that the apostles lied, and Jesus, and that some con job was going on with fake miracles. Proof?

So, the child was physically indistinguishable from a normal human baby, was also understood to not be the husband's, and the mother was claiming that an angel told her that 'god-did-it'...

Right.

The child was understood to be the Son of God. You apparently are suggesting that the angels telling Elizabeth, Mary, Joseph and Zechariah that God sent the Messiah were lying as well as Jesus, His family and followers, and all who have tested Him since then.

pitabread · Jan 11, 2020

dad said:
No. It can't. God breathed does not equal the rumor mill.

Yet it doesn't appear such claims can be tested to rule that out, thus here we are.

dad · Jan 11, 2020

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
That says nothing about spirits - whatever they may be - it's about the human propensity to embrace, believe, and embellish stories. It's happened all through history - you can even see it in a comparison of the gospels. 'Homo narrans' - storytelling man.

Jesus was about fulfilling hundreds of prophecies, and virgin birth, and having angels from heaven announce Him, and having the Father confirm it, etc. You made up the storytelling part.

It's a story.

Try to find something you know something about. Your slander about Jesus and the gospel being a story is made up nonsense with no basis in fact or evidence.

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