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So who you define as you is just a product of the electrical impulses in your brain? If you say your physical body and identity can't be separated?You are the one who claimed there was a distinction between the two, not me. I'm simply asking you to support your claim.
So is this why you don't seek any spirituality for yourself? You believe all spirituality is religion? I'm not talking about just the God of the bible. I'm talking about the speculation that there's nothing behind existence, because you can't prove it.Laws against abortion, stem cell research, teaching creationism in science classes... And I don't want my daughter forced to participate in religious education classes at school.
Because people think they're one and the same, as you have shown.Why would religious people trying to push their religion into law be an argument against God?
If you don't believe you have a spirit that exists independently of your body after its in the grave that's up to you, but it makes me sad that you believe that.No need to be dismissive. If you can't answer the question, just say so.
Jesus was the only one who could truly be called "Christian". He is Christ, the Messiah.Belief in Jesus is a religion. It's called Christianity.
No they don't. Look deeper.Yeah, people of every sect of Christianity say the same thing.
OK my bad. I should have written it like "Often the true followers can agree on the experience of the presence of God". Believers and followers can be one and the same, but they're being separated more and more as the man-made church system becomes more and more worldly as time goes on.You said, "Often the true followers can agree on the experience of the presence of God."
You asked me to give you a test. I provided an example. Now I'm a dictator?Oh, so now you get to dictate not only the test I should do, but also the results I should get.
No I said heart posture actually. Stop twisting my words. I said he will answer provided your heart posture is right and if you're listening.And here we go. If I don't get an answer, you put in a way to explain it away. "Oh, you just weren't listening!" Or maybe it was because he wasn't there to begin with.
I was only going by what you wrote. If you were more specific then I wouldn't have assessed what your heart posture appeared to be.Oh, how wonderful it is for you to be here so you can tell me the truth about something I did years ago, which you weren't there for, which you didn't even know about today, but still somehow have a greater understanding of it than I do!
Pretty much. There's a wealth of evidence that shows that changes to the structure of the brain result in changes to personality, etc. If who a person actually is was somehow separate from their physical body, why would changes to that body result in changes to the personality?So who you define as you is just a product of the electrical impulses in your brain? If you say your physical body and identity can't be separated?
Could you give a brief overview of his approach on Genesis 1 please?
Why should I accept as fact anything that can't be proven?So is this why you don't seek any spirituality for yourself? You believe all spirituality is religion? I'm not talking about just the God of the bible. I'm talking about the speculation that there's nothing behind existence, because you can't prove it.
That doesn't answer the question.Because people think they're one and the same, as you have shown.
If you have evidence that "a spirit that exists independently of your body" exists, please share it.If you don't believe you have a spirit that exists independently of your body after its in the grave that's up to you, but it makes me sad that you believe that.
*looks at your religion marker...*Jesus was the only one who could truly be called "Christian". He is Christ, the Messiah.
Please show me any sect of Christianity that does NOT say it is the correct belief system.No they don't. Look deeper.
You don't seem to understand how the No True Scotsman fallacy works.OK my bad. I should have written it like "Often the true followers can agree on the experience of the presence of God". Believers and followers can be one and the same, but they're being separated more and more as the man-made church system becomes more and more worldly as time goes on.
It was a lousy test. It is open to subjective interpretation and has no way to verify the results.You asked me to give you a test. I provided an example. Now I'm a dictator?
Already have done, as I've told you. It didn't work. Admit it, your test doesn't work.If you practice the example given the results will speak for themselves.
And once again, you find a way to pass the blame to me rather tham consider you've just got a lousy test.No I said heart posture actually. Stop twisting my words. I said he will answer provided your heart posture is right and if you're listening.
The only hurt has been arrogant Christians who think they know better than me what I have done regarding religion.I was only going by what you wrote. If you were more specific then I wouldn't have assessed what your heart posture appeared to be.
Honest question: did religion hurt you? Do you have a past with it?
You are here for more than just to argue why you don't believe in GOD,Already have done, as I've told you. It didn't work. Admit it, your test doesn't work.
But no, you'd rather find ways to blame me for the failure because you don't want to admit that your test is a bad test.
Maybe I should use that reasoning to people who argue against evolution, huh?You are here for more than just to argue why you don't believe in GOD,
Fact of the matter is,
Part of you knows he's real or you simply wouldn't bother.
I don't waste time arguing that 'santa' isn't real because he isn't.
I was hoping for a bit more than that...Oh! I almost forgot. Conrad Hyers, like Langdon Gilkey, didn't think that Creationism should be taught in the classroom.
God rest their souls!
Micro evolution does occur and that's about the jist of 'evolution'Maybe I should use that reasoning to people who argue against evolution, huh?
And yet again, that arrogance of someone thinking they understand my belief position better than I do.
Then Enlighten Us, Please.that arrogance of someone thinking they understand my belief position better than I do.
I have made my position abundantly clear.Then Enlighten Us, Please.
Honest question: did religion hurt you? Do you have a past with it?
Oh, please.I have made my position abundantly clear.
You are the one who came in, ignored what I said, and proceeded to tell me what I really believed. You don't even know me, so the idea that you could ever be in a better position than me to tell me what my beliefs are is sheer arrogance, nothing more.
Once again AV butts into a conversation that doesn't involve him.Oh, please.
I've been called everything but what's in my profile.
Even by the likes of Aron Ra, Glen Morton, and Lucaspa.
My apologies I didn't mean to offend you,I have made my position abundantly clear.
You are the one who came in, ignored what I said, and proceeded to tell me what I really believed. You don't even know me, so the idea that you could ever be in a better position than me to tell me what my beliefs are is sheer arrogance, nothing more.
I love this.My apologies I didn't mean to offend you,
Clearly something drives you to have such a stance and it's not 'science'
You see them as one and the same. They are not. Jesus is God.Belief in Jesus is a religion. It's called Christianity.
You missed the point with my reference to the bible and the evidence in the video. You would have picked it had you have actually read the bible for yourself. If you say you have, the you haven't truly understood it. That's what happens with a linear view.Every single believer just so happened to pick the One True Faith (tm).
You make a good point.Pretty much. There's a wealth of evidence that shows that changes to the structure of the brain result in changes to personality, etc. If who a person actually is was somehow separate from their physical body, why would changes to that body result in changes to the personality?
You don't have to. It's your God-given choice to not accept him.Why should I accept as fact anything that can't be proven?
Yes it did, refer to the top of this post.That doesn't answer the question.
I wasn't talking about Christianity. I was talking about Jesus and the bible. No denominations are necessary to follow him.Please show me any sect of Christianity that does NOT say it is the correct belief system.
No I don't "disregard" people, but it's the state of the world at the moment. If you believed in God you would understand. He is the one that separates the wheat from the chaff, not me.As soon as you say, "Only a true X could do Y," you are giving yourself a way to say that anyone who doesn't do Y is not a true X, and therefore you can disregard them.
Point taken. But it's the best way for an unbeliever to seek God. Testimonies have proven that.It was a lousy test.
Doubt it.Already have done,
It is our responsibility to humble ourselves before God, not the other way around.But no, you'd rather find ways to blame me for the failure
You seem unable to take responsibility for your own words. You twisted what I said, so I pointed that out to you.And once again, you find a way to pass the blame to me
Believers are still humans you know. We aren't perfect. Just because I believe in God and you don't, does not mean I'm trying to be arrogant, I'm trying to stretch your thinking a bit. And besides, God is not humans. Whatever a Christian has done to hurt you is not a reflection of God. He loves you.The only hurt has been arrogant Christians who think they know better than me what I have done regarding religion.
I'm just trying to figure you out,I love this.
You apologize for acting like you know me better than I do, but then you turn around and do the exact same thing again.
That shows me that your apology is meaningless, and you either don't understand or don't care about how rude you are being.
And belief in Jesus being God is RELIGION.You see them as one and the same. They are not. Jesus is God.
I don't have the same position as you, so you conclude that I must be lying when I said I have read the Bible.You missed the point with my reference to the bible and the evidence in the video. You would have picked it had you have actually read the bible for yourself. If you say you have, the you haven't truly understood it. That's what happens with a linear view.
I'm sorry, did you read what I wrote?You make a good point.
Please explain how a violent criminal's "personality" can change after coming to Christ? Can't possibly happen by itself.
It's not God given at all, because I don't believe he exists.You don't have to. It's your God-given choice to not accept him.
And you do the same to this post.Yes it did, refer to the top of this post.
Irrelevant. Just because the Bible makes a claim it does not mean that claim is true.I wasn't talking about Christianity. I was talking about Jesus and the bible. No denominations are necessary to follow him.
Yes you are doing it, the moment you say only a "true" Christian can do it.No I don't "disregard" people, but it's the state of the world at the moment. If you believed in God you would understand. He is the one that separates the wheat from the chaff, not me.
If that's the best you've got, then you don't have very much. Anecdote and personal testimony are terrible ways to find objective truth.Point taken. But it's the best way for an unbeliever to seek God. Testimonies have proven that.
Once again you arrogantly tell me that you understand me better than I do.Doubt it.
I'd be happy to, once I am shown evidence that he exists.It is our responsibility to humble ourselves before God, not the other way around.
You said that if I do X, I will get result Y.You seem unable to take responsibility for your own words. You twisted what I said, so I pointed that out to you.
No, I never said you were arrogant because you believe and I don't.Believers are still humans you know. We aren't perfect. Just because I believe in God and you don't, does not mean I'm trying to be arrogant, I'm trying to stretch your thinking a bit. And besides, God is not humans. Whatever a Christian has done to hurt you is not a reflection of God. He loves you.
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