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I see.You rejected the universe as it really is the instant you said reality is not real.
I see.
I think that, what you don't understand is, there is reality, then there is reality.
Put another way, there is reality, and then there is Reality.
That's because those overrides are miracles, but academia calls them "magic."The Bible does not override what actually happens in the real world,
That's because they're mislabeled.Miracles don't happen.
That's because they're mislabeled.
It's like calling Pluto our ninth planet for seventy-six years, then rigging a vote to get it mislabeled, then saying Pluto was never our ninth planet.
That's because academia considers the Bible as malware and firewalls It.There has never been a case of the laws of nature being violated.
That's because academia considers the Bible as malware and firewalls It.
You've got that backwards and it has nothing to do with 'academia'.That's because academia considers the Bible as malware and firewalls It.
I disagree.If the claims in the Bible actually worked, the evidence would be indisputable.
Have you ever seen my Apple Challenge?Kylie said:But they don't work, so there is no evidence that can withstand scrutiny.
Only on paper.Kylie said:It fails every time.
They'd be firewalled.Kylie said:That's why there are no verified cases of actual miracles.
"Objectively untestable notions"?Science however, may treat the import of the Bible as irrelevant because of the objectively untestable notions it presents.
I don't have a problem with the scientific description of fundamental reality from a material perspective. It has been tremendously successful. But I think the billiard ball schema idea at the fundamental level breaks down. At the tiniest level there are no actual particles as in the billiard ball schema but waves of potentiality.No. That is literally what we mean by matter in physics. If you have a problem with quarks, gluons, and electrons being called "matter", it's your problem, not ours. If you're going to use non-standard definitions of "matter" than I'm not sure any conversation about what is or is not matter have any value whatsoever.
Not really thinking about God at this stage. Cannot even get past the idea of consciousness let alone take on that one. But don't confuse being open to exploring possibilities with belief in God. If we take God out of the picture I think there are a lot of people who believe in the idea that there is some immaterial aspect to reality.A lot of people contributed and many if not most such .
we're not positive contributions.
Love and joy are states of consciousness, so
don't present that it's equivalently ineffable
with consciusness itself.
In the event one gets the impression that you are
merely going pseudoscience on us, having presupposed
that consciousness is inseparably a part of a
supernatural- god- spirit- immaterial- transcendent .
belief system ( forcwhich zerk evidence exists)
and thus you try to use science to demonstrate that
there actually is evidence for your views.
Quite convincing for you perhaps but it won't work
on those who don't go with your foundation less assumptions.
As mentioned there is no scientific test you can do at the moment. But the questions I asked you were like a test, just a different kind of test to determine things and help understand what I was saying.Let me repeat myself, since you seem incapable of answering the question that I actually asked.
Then you should have no problem providing the scientific studies that were done to establish those facts.
Do you think gravity is the force mediating between the "spirit" or "mind" and the body, or is your miscomprehension about gravity just a red herring?
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Your "evidence" was "veridical experiences" that as best I can understand are just things people claimed happened to them. There is plenty of actual scientific data about the nature of consciousness from controlled studies.
I don't have a problem with the scientific description of fundamental reality from a material perspective. It has been tremendously successful. But I think the billiard ball schema idea at the fundamental level breaks down. At the tiniest level there are no actual particles as in the billiard ball schema but waves of potentiality.
Not really thinking about God at this stage. Cannot even get past the idea of consciousness let alone take on that one. But don't confuse being open to exploring possibilities with belief in God. If we take God out of the picture I think there are a lot of people who believe in the idea that there is some immaterial aspect to reality.
You hit on a good point though that these debates do seem to be underpinned by philosophical beliefs and its hard to keep them out. IMO they are inherently linked. Just as we cannot separate ourselves from any scientific equation we cannot separate ourselves from metaphysics.
Materialists love their straw men . I nowhere said gravity was a red herring. I noted it was an observation model. It describes what happens in a formulaic manner. That is not an explanation of why it happens. It just does.
'The real world' is a descriptive model and in science, its a testable one.Materialists confuse the scientific model with the real world.
The world trumps the model.
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