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So you disagree with the Apostle Paul when he said that God is manifested in creation and that there is no excuse for denying this?When we ask if God exists, I think we are really asking if there is a pre-Creation God. Now that, we cannot prove on our own.
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First and foremost you have got to have information on the concept of God, in order to be relevant to the proof or disproof of God existing, otherwise you are conducting yourselves irrationally or in particular un-intelligently.
Are you purposing some sort of ontological argument here?
This video offers many compelling reasons why it is totally logical to conclude that an ID exists.
That 99% doesn't nullify his existence nor make the belief in his existence any less justifiable or less logical.I think that God exists 1%. Is he transcends by what I believe, by at least 99%.
So you disagree with the Apostle Paul when he said that God is manifested in creation and that there is no excuse for denying this?
Wait, do I get this right?There, that is the proof of the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Nope, the author of Luke/Acts seems to have been a follower of Paul not Peter.
Never said that or implied that. In fact I said the opposite. It was written for a literate Greek reading group. That was not your typical Israelite.
Sorry, but the author of Acts was definitely not preaching to the locals. First you must remember that Acts was writtne in Greek for a illiterate Greek speaking audience. He was a follower of Paul, another nonwitness that ended up in Rome. He was not writing for the typical Jews in Israel.
Also no reason to doubt it didn't happen.Possibly written by Luke. The authorship is not certain. And still no reason given to believe the "3,000 witnesses" claim.
No, it is not just my opinion. It is no more valid than if you saw the same claim in the Koran. A point that you did not seem to understand. And the number of Christians that follow a false belief is not evidence either.
Correct, the amount doubting a dubious story does not make it false.
So you are admitting that is is probably not true? At least that is what it seems that you are saying. And calling the Bible "God's Word" is highly blasphemous. I would not do that.
Hey YOU are the one who began with technical terms. Namely: "proof".....You will say, that is circular reasoning, another technical term......
Tetra asks: "Are you purposing some sort of ontological argument here?"
No need to bring in a techical term here.
Just get the concept of God correct, namely, God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."
Then let us invite ourselves to look for God's presence in the universe, in man, and in everything with a beginning.
There, the universe and man and everything with a beginning they all exist, so presto God exists, corresponding to the concept of God, namely, God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
You will say, that is circular reasoning, another technical term.
Of course if you want to move in a circle continuously inside your brain, I will not stop you.
Don't be silly with your useless circular thinking all in your brain, just you and I we go into the universe and man and everything with a beginning, they all exist as having a beginning.
Wherefore they are the evidence of the presence of God creating and operating as to keep them in existence.
There, that is the proof of the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Just get the concept of God correct, namely, God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."
Then let us invite ourselves to look for God's presence in the universe, in man, and in everything with a beginning.
There, the universe and man and everything with a beginning they all exist, so presto God exists, corresponding to the concept of God, namely, God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
You will say, that is circular reasoning, another technical term.
Of course if you want to move in a circle continuously inside your brain, I will not stop you.
Don't be silly with your useless circular thinking all in your brain, just you and I we go into the universe and man and everything with a beginning, they all exist as having a beginning.
Wherefore they are the evidence of the presence of God creating and operating as to keep them in existence.
There, that is the proof of the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
You're going to find it very difficult to embark on an intellectually honest journey towards truth if you have a predetermined conclusion. Trying to prove a particular concept for which there is not already proof should never be the objective.Now, the present thread is an experiment, and dear readers you will get to know the objective of this thread, as you read my thinking on my exposition on how to prove God exists.
This has to be a Poe.... Just get the concept of God correct, namely, God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."
Then let us invite ourselves to look for God's presence in the universe, in man, and in everything with a beginning.
There, the universe and man and everything with a beginning they all exist, so presto God exists, corresponding to the concept of God, namely, God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
You will say, that is circular reasoning, another technical term.
Of course if you want to move in a circle continuously inside your brain, I will not stop you.
Don't be silly with your useless circular thinking all in your brain, just you and I we go into the universe and man and everything with a beginning, they all exist as having a beginning.
Wherefore they are the evidence of the presence of God creating and operating as to keep them in existence.
There, that is the proof of the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
He followed both. More with Paul than Peter though.
Yes, and it was a bit of a typo, I made an error. I typed that on a tablet, I don't know if I wrote "illiterate" or if I made a spelling error and auto-correct "fixed" it for me. I am not a huge fan of auto-correct since its corrections are worse than the errors quite often. It was meant to say "literate", you should have gotten that from the posts that I wrote later. The typical Jew was far from literate at that time. There were literate Jews, but they were mostly in the priesthood and as you know they were not too friendly to Jesus.That is what you said. Now if you meant the latter.
Still false, Many of those who were literate at that time were multilingual. They spoke Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic.
Also no reason to doubt it didn't happen.
Still your opinion.
More opinion.
No, it's true.
And it is God's Word. He inspired it.
Wait, do I get this right?
All that´s required for a proof is:
- telling everybody else they are wrong
- misrepresenting competing views
- throwing in some insults for good measure,
and you are done?
Amazing.
Wait, do I get this right?
All that´s required for a proof is:
- telling everybody else they are wrong
- misrepresenting competing views
- throwing in some insults for good measure,
and you are done?
Amazing.
Hilarious.Dear Quatona, you are now going into confusion mode in order to escape from thinking that is grounded on reason and observation.
You see, the issue God exists cannot be resolved between atheists and theists because atheists, if you be one, always play hide and seek.
Again, do you have information of the concept of God that is correct?
So, please, stay on the issue, tell me what is your information on the concept of God.
As a theist grounding myself on reason and observation, and more expansively on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, my information on the concept of God is as follows:
“In concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.”
Eventually, we have to come to what it is to prove that something exists in objective reality outside our mind, i.e., outside of our mind; and beware, do not play hide and seek game in your mind, all the time.
When you do have an idea of something in your mind, and it explains the existence of something outside your mind in objective reality, then use that concept to go forth into objective reality to locate the presence of that object corresponding to the concept in your mind.
Don’t anymore just remaining in your mind, uselessly trying to prove that there is no such thing corresponding to the concept, but not daring to look for it outside your mind, in the objectival realm (as opposed to the conceptual realm in your mind) of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Dear Quatona, please, no playing hide and seek with words which when you examine yourself, you are just exploiting dishonestly in order to distract readers from the instant issue, of God existing in the default status of things in the totality of reality which is existence.
Regards, and I like us to continue with our exchange, okay?
Dear readers, let us sit back and witness how Quatona will react to my message this time around.
Again, do you have information of the concept of God that is correct?
As a theist grounding myself on reason and observation, and more expansively on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, my information on the concept of God is as follows:
“In concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.”
When you do have an idea of something in your mind, and it explains the existence of something outside your mind in objective reality, then use that concept to go forth into objective reality to locate the presence of that object corresponding to the concept in your mind.
Dear Quatona, please, no playing hide and seek with words which when you examine yourself, you are just exploiting dishonestly in order to distract readers from the instant issue, of God existing in the default status of things in the totality of reality which is existence.
Again, dear readers here, let us all sit back and await posters here to present their comments or words, to the effect of reacting to my statement immediately preceding this ending paragraph of my post here.
You are perhaps the loftiest OP I've ever seen.Dear Quatona, you are now going into confusion mode in order to escape from thinking that is grounded on reason and observation.
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