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I have no qualms ending a conversation with a polemical poster who is not even able to follow and rightly interpret dialogues. Try harder next time.
Why did you not try to refute the claim that you rely on circular reasoning?
Your reply began with, "Most religions have rather worthless defensive verses such as this one..." Granted, you probably don't understand what is meant by polemics, for "I made no polemics" is not even grammatically correct.
Did you even read what I was responding to in his post? He claimed that knowledge of God's existence precludes religious faith. His point about circularity, made in a later post, was self-admittedly not made in the first post ("My main point in this thread, which I didn't get to put into my first post...").
Let's sort out your ambiguous rhetoric for once:
What is the point?
What do I do to support my faith?
What circular reasoning? Provide the syllogism.
Skeptics are not unbiased by definition. Good evidence convinces the unbiased, not the skeptics.
Lol
It is because when I asked you to substantiate the precise circular reasoning in question, you were either unable or unwilling to do so. Apparently you don't even know what sort of circular reasoning I rely on, much less myself.
It is because when I asked you to substantiate the precise circular reasoning in question, you were either unable or unwilling to do so. Apparently you don't even know what sort of circular reasoning I rely on, much less myself.
Zippy, I assume you believe in the Christian God since you label yourself Catholic. Religions are faith based, they are not evidence based. And your own posts more than imply at your own circular reasoning.
But I could be wrong. You may be the first Christian ever that did not use circular reasoning. But for me to properly answer your questions I need to know what you believe and why. Can you tell me that without writing a book?
So you don't know if I depend on circular reasoning or not, then, contrary to your previous assertions? Or do my posts imply it? Where is it implied? Or do you drop that charge as well?
It was a reasonable conclusion based upon thousands of others before you. I have yet to meet a Christian that does not use circular reasoning. Once again, you could show that I was wrong. But until you do I will go with what the past has shown to be the case.
I did not jump to any conclusions. You sure do make quite a few false allegations. But then when you have nothing .....That's alright, I'm not convinced that a conversation with someone who jumps to so many conclusions without any evidence will go anywhere anyway. I would, on the other hand, be open to such an exchange with more rigorous atheists such as Frumious or Freodin.
Okay. Dear Loudmouth, I get you, you seek evidence from people who know God exists.
Please bear with me, have you ever at all done any search for evidence, instead of asking people who know God exists?
You see, when I talk with atheists, I find them to be into putting up all kinds and manners of hide and seek safety, by which they will not at all agree with me, even on so simple a thing as that babies come from their parents, instead they will say that babies come from reproduction - that is the awful kind of a mindset that dwells on all kinds and manners of linguistic foolery.
And why do I care to examine how atheists think? Because they are intelligent and have higher IQ than me, so it is to my profit that I find out how they think.
Okay, back to my request to you, please tell me, have you ever sought evidence by yourself at all, instead of asking evidence from people who know God exists?
Try to keep it short. If you drop the insults your posts will be half as long and have twice as much punch. Of course I should give you a friendly warning:
Two times zero is still zero.
An amazing amount of word salad for one that claimed he was going to avoid it.
Try to keep it short. If you drop the insults your posts will be half as long and have twice as much punch. Of course I should give you a friendly warning:
Two times zero is still zero.
To reiterate:
I'm an atheist as I have not accepted the claims of others concerning their belief in existence of deities.
I hold this position as I have not been presented with any evidence that convinces me there is any validity to these claims.
Sure, evidence is factual information that can be used to support a claim or conclusion. This factual information needs to be accepted/undisputed/unchallenged by both sides, otherwise their arguments and counter arguments fall apart as there's no agreement on terms.
If I decide to continue, be warned that my engaging with you is provisional. I will withdraw for the conversation if:
You continue to insult and snipe at other posters on the forum in particular and non-believers in general
You continue to use circuitous language - be concise, make your argument and responses and only those.
You continue to address the board in general, rather the posters individually.
Also, I will not accept deductive logical syllogisms as evidence.
Those are my terms.
It was a reasonable conclusion based upon thousands of others before you. I have yet to meet a Christian that does not use circular reasoning.
Dear Zone, you say:
Is that your word salad of telling me that you will employ physical violence on my person?
Please clarify your word salad, for I am quite keen on your word salad warning.
While you are thinking over your word salad warning, please also apply your heart and mind, to contribute your take on my No. 1 request to all atheists, What exactly is your attitude toward God: He exists or not, or you have doubts?
For if you have doubts, then stop conducting yourselves in words and in acts like militant atheists.
And don't neglect to think as to reply to my No. 2 request to atheists, How have you taught yourselves as to identify yourselves with the label of atheist?
Dear readers, let us also sit back and with bated breath await the reply of Zone to this post of mine, to witness what other warnings he is going to hurl on me, like physical violence on my person?
Watch out, dear atheist Zone, that warning of physical violence is a crime in any society, even when made in the internet.
I would propose that you disabuse completely your heart and mine from any word salad of issuing warnings at all, in a message forum - just use the word advice instead of warning.
By the use of the word zero, are you hinting that you will make me extinct, i.e. zero?Wow! Amazingly poor reading comprehension on your part. If you want to pretend that you are more intelligent than others you need to learn how not to tip your hand. So far you have provided nothing. Twice nothing is still nothing. There was no threat there. A bit of paranoia on your part perhaps? Remember, I can't reach through the screen and attack you, even if I want to. Of course it would not be worth the bother.
Please clarify your word salad.
Again you are the one that uses word salad. You spew long worthless posts that no one reads. Again, if a person wants to fool people into thinking that he or she is bright that person should not give others the evidence that tells them this is not so.
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