How to prove Christianity for those who never heard of it?

[Not me]

You’re repeating yourself, not explaining yourself. You need to explain yourself. Up and down is another dichotomy that relies on a subjective orientation. Which way is “up” in space?

No my friend you are choosing not see, reread what I wrote and you will see I said “in relation to down”.

For truth does exist, it is eternal, can never change. Question is, are you willing to except that truth. Or make stuff up that “tickles your ear” (stuff you want to be truth)

Much love in Christ, Not me

 

[KCfromNC]

It does make sense if someone chooses to see.

People can delude themselves into believing all sorts of falsehoods. One way to see they've done this is to ask probing questions and see what sort of responses you get. If you get solid explanations backed by facts and real world examples it is way different than platitudes about not being able to really know what's, like, really real, man.

For human reasoning will never understand reality, for reality is spiritual.

Uh oh.

What prayer does is to open the eyes for those that wish to see.

Then I'm "praying" for you.

 

[Not me]

I don't "choose" what I see or don't see.
Just like I don't "choose" what I believe or don't believe.



That doesn't seem to mean anything.



If you say so.

In the meantime, do you have an actual argument as to why you think that morality exists externally to humans, or will you just leave it at the bare (religiously motivated) claim?

If you want to meet God. Go and do righteousness in all you do, say, think, dream, hope and desire. For He waits in righteousness to bless those willing to walk in righteousness.

Much love and prayers, Not me

 

[Not me]

People can delude themselves into believing all sorts of falsehoods. One way to see they've done this is to ask probing questions and see what sort of responses you get. If you get solid explanations backed by facts and real world examples it is way different than platitudes about not being able to really know what's, like, really real, man.



Uh oh.



Then I'm "praying" for you.

Thank you, I will gladly accept all the prayer I can get.

For Christianity is someone’s personal relationship with Christ as long as that personal “one and one” relationship is growing, sooner or later that person will get to be where they need to be.

Much love and prayers in Christ, Not me

 

[2PhiloVoid]

How to prove Christianity for those who never heard of it?

You can't use the Bible until you prove the Bible. You can't invoke common sense because the gospel seems like "foolishness". (1 Corinthians 1:18) (1 Corinthians 1:23) Archaeology doesn't work because mainstream archeology doesn't agree with Christian archaeology. Ditto for science. You can't use the subjective argument that once you believe "it just feels true".

You don't "prove" it. You simply do your best to obey the Lord and thereby not cause people to stumble unnecessarily away from the Christian faith.

 

[gaara4158]

No my friend you are choosing not see, reread what I wrote and you will see I said “in relation to down”.

For truth does exist, it is eternal, can never change. Question is, are you willing to except that truth. Or make stuff up that “tickles your ear” (stuff you want to be truth)

Much love in Christ, Not me

Then you’re still just talking about language. Up is tautologically the opposite of down, sure, but that’s completely meaningless without being in reference to something.

 

[DogmaHunter]

If you want to meet God. Go and do righteousness in all you do, say, think, dream, hope and desire. For He waits in righteousness to bless those willing to walk in righteousness.

Much love and prayers, Not me

I'll take that as a "no", that you in fact don't have an actual argument.

 

[Not me]

That's simply false. 1 and 1 is 10, at least in some systems. 1 and 1 is 1 in others. It all depends on which definitions you make up for 1, 0, "and" and "is".

Sorry my friend you are incorrect, you talking about which “base system” your conflating and throwing up a smoke screen. For ”truth” does exist, it is eternal, whether or not someone wants to except it or not. It remains unchanged and unmoved forever. It’s just whether it is manifested or not, in this creation.

Much love in Christ, Not me.

 

[Not me]

I'll take that as a "no", that you in fact don't have an actual argument.

I will take that as you don’t want to meet God.

Much love and prayers, Not me

 

[DogmaHunter]

I will take that as you don’t want to meet God.

What god?

 

[Not me]

What god?

Ask yourself this;

If God does exist, do you want to know Him?

Much love in Christ, Not me

 

[2PhiloVoid]

What god?

The same one who warns us against taking the Mark of the Beast! That one!

 

[DogmaHunter]

The same one who warns us against taking the Mark of the Beast! That one!

Why not the one who has a mighty hammer?
Or the one that throws lightning bolts?
Or the one that looks like an elephant with 8 arms?

What is so special about yours?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Ask yourself this;
If God does exist, do you want to know Him?

I'ld have to ask a different question first.

If a god does exist, how would we know?

 

[A_Thinker]

How to prove Christianity for those who never heard of it?

You can't use the Bible until you prove the Bible. You can't invoke common sense because the gospel seems like "foolishness". (1 Corinthians 1:18) (1 Corinthians 1:23) Archaeology doesn't work because mainstream archeology doesn't agree with Christian archaeology. Ditto for science. You can't use the subjective argument that once you believe "it just feels true".

I don't think that you can expect to be able to "prove" Christianity. Which is to say that God left it generally unpravable, ... so as to require "faith" in its adherents.

I believe that acceptance of the gospel is an affair of the heart, ... more than the mind. If your heart is turned toward the will/desires of God, ... the gospel will be more attractive to you.

"Love" for one's fellowman is, certainly, a key factor.

"By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, ... If you have LOVE for one another." John 13:35

 

[Not me]

I'ld have to ask a different question first.

If a god does exist, how would we know?

Why don’t you ask Him? If He does exist He will most assuredly answer. Question is, does a person “really” want to know or are they giving “lip service” to satisfy their human reasoning.

This scripture correctly understood, shows “how”
a person may “know” of God

John 7:17
If any man is “WILLING TO DO” his will, he shall “KNOW” of the doctrine, (righteousness) whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.


Much love in Christ, Not me

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Why not the one who has a mighty hammer?
Or the one that throws lightning bolts?
Or the one that looks like an elephant with 8 arms?

What is so special about yours?

Your question is befitting for an interlocution in which a Christian, such as WLC, who would claim that apologetics is for the sole purpose of "proving" the absolute truth of the Bible to other, not yet believing parties. I, on the other hand, do no share WLC's approach or assertion as to what the overall purpose of apologetics is.

If I defend my faith, then the trajectory of my locution isn't to "prove" the truth of Christianity, but rather to inform others as to WHY and HOW I believe in Christ the way I do. Opening my mouth to convince them of my position isn't really in my agenda. Besides, only God can help you make the final step to closure, and that part remains a mystery, despite that some Christians say, "the Evidence is In!"

See, if you'd study Christian apologetics literature, the kind that is descriptive about the field in general rather than just one which represents some one tradtion or that of a particular denomination, then you'd know this, DogmaHunter. I mean, gosh, for one who is 'hunting down' the suspects of error, you don't seem to be inclined to really track the culprits very closely.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Why don’t you ask Him?

That would require me to believe he exists first.
How can I find that out, without assuming the conclusion?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Your question is befitting for an interlocution in which a Christian, such as WLC, who would claim that apologetics is for the sole purpose of "proving" the absolute truth of the Bible to other, not yet believing parties. I, on the other hand, do no share WLC's approach or assertion as to what the overall purpose of apologetics is.

If I defend my faith, then the trajectory of my locution isn't to "prove" the truth of Christianity, but rather to inform others as to WHY and HOW I believe in Christ the way I do. Opening my mouth to convince them of my position isn't really in my agenda. Besides, only God can help you make the final step to closure, and that part remains a mystery, despite that some Christians say, "the Evidence is In!"

See, if you'd study Christian apologetics literature, the kind that is descriptive about the field in general rather than just one which represents some one tradtion or that of a particular denomination, then you'd know this, DogmaHunter. I mean, gosh, for one who is 'hunting down' the suspects of error, you don't seem to be inclined to really track the culprits very closely.

I'm just asking questions.

You seem to have gone to great lengths, just to say that you won't be answering them.

 

[Not me]

Why not the one who has a mighty hammer?
Or the one that throws lightning bolts?
Or the one that looks like an elephant with 8 arms?

What is so special about yours?

It comes down to this;

Does truth exist? If it does, than the natural question follows. Can mankind know it?

All man are given a choice whether they want to know the truth. Those that choose to know, shall know. Those that don’t, are free to live in whatever fantasy they choose to live in. But both groups reap the consequences of their choices. For God has created man in His image. That which is free in God, is also free in man, the “ability to choose.” For every creature has to have a nature. As sentient beings there are only two choices, a good one and bad one. Choose wisely my friend, for your decision you make is an eternal one.

For life is the greatest gift, if some choose to misuse it. It’s not a reason not to give it.

Much love and prayers, Not me