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How to prove Christianity for those who never heard of it?

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How to prove Christianity for those who never heard of it?

You can't use the Bible until you prove the Bible. You can't invoke common sense because the gospel seems like "foolishness". (1 Corinthians 1:18) (1 Corinthians 1:23) Archaeology doesn't work because mainstream archeology doesn't agree with Christian archaeology. Ditto for science. You can't use the subjective argument that once you believe "it just feels true".
 

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How to prove Christianity for those who never heard of it?

You can't use the Bible until you prove the Bible. You can't invoke common sense because the gospel seems like "foolishness". (1 Corinthians 1:18) (1 Corinthians 1:23) Archaeology doesn't work because mainstream archeology doesn't agree with Christian archaeology. Ditto for science. You can't use the subjective argument that once you believe "it just feels true".

I would convince/prove that righteousness exists. Than by extension that the Creator God Himself is righteous.

John 7:17 (KJV)
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.


in Christ, Not me
 
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I would convince/prove that righteousness exists. Than by extension that the Creator God Himself is righteous.

in Christ, Not me
Ooh, that sounds interesting. How would you do that?
 
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Ooh, that sounds interesting. How would you do that?

First identify or discover what righteousness is in itself. Which would be “that which is right” or “that which is free from all disorder”. Ask if this or these things exist. Once it is established that they do indeed exist. Than say, go and do righteousness in all you do, say, think, dream, hope, desire. And you will meet God. For He waits in righteousness, waiting to bless those willing to walk in righteousness.

John 7:17
If any man “IS WILLING TO DO” his will, he shall “KNOW” of the doctrine,(righteousness) whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.

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How to prove Christianity for those who never heard of it?

You can't use the Bible until you prove the Bible. You can't invoke common sense because the gospel seems like "foolishness". (1 Corinthians 1:18) (1 Corinthians 1:23) Archaeology doesn't work because mainstream archeology doesn't agree with Christian archaeology. Ditto for science. You can't use the subjective argument that once you believe "it just feels true".
Yeah, how do you?
 
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How to prove Christianity for those who never heard of it?
Yeah, how do you?
There's only one way. First, establish that miracles occur and are abundant, and that the testimony of the apostles is trustworthy. Once you've done this, demonstrate that their teaching was accurately passed on to the bishops resulting in decrees of Church councils and writings of the Church Fathers and the New Testament. That's all there is to it. Then, interpret all this in the obvious way and come up with the only meaning possible. It's helpful to also point to fulfilled prophecy and supporting archaeology, as well as corroborating evidence from science.
 
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There's only one way.
If you say so.
First, establish that miracles occur and are abundant,
You should first define what you mean by "miracle."

How would you demonstrate they occur?

and that the testimony of the apostles is trustworthy.
The "testimony" of the apostles is hearsay, thereby rendering it untrustworthy, by definition.

Once you've done this,
Take all the time you need.
 
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Above are three arguments that don't require any reference to the Bible as a knowledge source whatsoever. They use premises based on the latest scientific discoveries, features of our physical world, and intuitions about how our moral intuitions can be grounded.

True beliefs + reasons = knowledge.

We don't have o be compelling the way 2+2=4 is compelling.

So I would drop "prove" and insert "reasons why we believe," in its place.

There will be those don't find our arguments compelling, so what? Many do.

Meanwhile let them try and explane the fine tuning of the universe on chance, or our moral objective values on atheism or the origin of the universe from no space, no time, no laws, no matter, no energy.
 
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First:

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them -- John 6

There are "drawn" people out there. You can't tell who they are by looking at them. They don't even know they've been "drawn." But they've been convicted by the Holy Spirit, even if they don't understand what they've been convicted of, and they already know in their hearts they need Jesus, even if they don't know who He is.

Second:
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me -- John 10

Those who are "drawn" don't need to be "convinced," they only need to hear the gospel, and the true gospel is the voice of Jesus.

If they are not "drawn," they can't be convinced. That is why:

If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. -- Matthew 10
 
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You're ok with describing yourself as a gullible sheep?

First:

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them -- John 6

There are "drawn" people out there. You can't tell who they are by looking at them. They don't even know they've been "drawn." But they've been convicted by the Holy Spirit, even if they don't understand what they've been convicted of, and they already know in their hearts they need Jesus, even if they don't know who He is.

Second:
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me -- John 10

Those who are "drawn" don't need to be "convinced," they only need to hear the gospel, and the true gospel is the voice of Jesus.

If they are not "drawn," they can't be convinced. That is why:

If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. -- Matthew 10
 
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First identify or discover what righteousness is in itself. Which would be “that which is right” or “that which is free from all disorder”. Ask if this or these things exist. Once it is established that they do indeed exist. Than say, go and do righteousness in all you do, say, think, dream, hope, desire. And you will meet God. For He waits in righteousness, waiting to bless those willing to walk in righteousness.

John 7:17
If any man “IS WILLING TO DO” his will, he shall “KNOW” of the doctrine,(righteousness) whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.

Much love in Christ, Not me
When you say “that which is right,” what do you mean? Right with regard to what? Factual correctness? Moral superiority? Structural integrity? Spatial orientation? Similarly, what do you mean by “disorder?”
 
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When you say “that which is right,” what do you mean? Right with regard to what? Factual correctness? Moral superiority? Structural integrity? Spatial orientation? Similarly, what do you mean by “disorder?”

“Right” in regards to “wrong”.

“Order” in regards to “disorder”.

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How to prove Christianity for those who never heard of it?

You can't use the Bible until you prove the Bible. You can't invoke common sense because the gospel seems like "foolishness". (1 Corinthians 1:18) (1 Corinthians 1:23) Archaeology doesn't work because mainstream archeology doesn't agree with Christian archaeology. Ditto for science. You can't use the subjective argument that once you believe "it just feels true".

It seems you're saying that common sense, archaeology, and science all debunk the Bible. I appreciate the honesty.

However, it does all ultimately balance upon the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

If it can be definitively proven that he did not rise from the dead, then Christianity would be dead even if we found hundreds of legitimately fulfilled prophecies in the Bible.

Conversely, if it can be definitively proven that he did rise from the dead, then all the problems in the Bible would really be moot.

Why die for a lie?

This is the go-to argument of apologists. Islamic suicide bombers, for instance, are indeed willing to die for their beliefs but they are not in a position to know with certainty whether or not their beliefs are actually true or false. However, the eleven disciples who supposedly saw the resurrection were in a position to know whether or not their beliefs were true or false. And it is emphasized that a hallucination cannot explain their genuine beliefs in the resurrection because hallucinations are not shared experiences.

However, this argument is seriously disingenuous. The earliest known Christian who refused the opportunity to recant and go free was Polycarp. Polycarp was born after Christ had died, so he could not have been a witness to the resurrection. To our knowledge, none of the eleven disciples who were present were given the same opportunity.

The canonized version of the Book of Acts says that James was slain by the sword at the behest of a king. It does not say that he was given the opportunity to recant. We have no idea what happened. It's not reasonable to assume that a discussion even took place at all.

Peter, even by secular accounts, was executed. However, we don't know the details of that, either. It's possible that his only choices were to either admit to the "crime" of being a Christian and receive a swift death, or else suffer torture until he confessed. Christians were scapegoated for the great fire of Rome, and it's plausible that Peter was executed because he represented the Christians. There is no reason to assume that he was given the same opportunity as Polycarp because Polycarp came a hundred years later, which means that there was another emperor in place.

Paul and Stephen did not witness the resurrection, and all mentions of them in the "Why die for a lie?" argument are totally dishonest. Jesus Christ rose from the dead and stayed with the disciples for around a month, and then left earth. He has never physically returned. This occurred long before Paul and Stephen had their experiences. Furthermore, recall that when Paul and Stephen had their experiences, there were other witnesses present who did not experience the same thing. So their experiences were *effectively* hallucinations, even if Jesus did appear to them in some "real" way.

Even taking the Bible and all non-canonical Christian works as 100% true, there is no known person in all of history who saw Jesus Christ rise from the dead and then later refused to recant their testimony under duress. The case for the resurrection absolutely cannot be made unless you relax the burden of proof to the point that we can prove the existence of things like Big Foot, alien abductions, and the Loch Ness Monster.
 
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There's only one way. First, establish that miracles occur and are abundant, and that the testimony of the apostles is trustworthy. Once you've done this, demonstrate that their teaching was accurately passed on to the bishops resulting in decrees of Church councils and writings of the Church Fathers and the New Testament. That's all there is to it. Then, interpret all this in the obvious way and come up with the only meaning possible. It's helpful to also point to fulfilled prophecy and supporting archaeology, as well as corroborating evidence from science.
How do miracles, (allegedly) fulfilled prophecy, or archaeology prove Christianity?
How do you prove that "the testimony of the apostles is trustworthy"?
How do you prove that the "teaching was accurately passed on"?
 
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The "testimony" of the apostles is hearsay, thereby rendering it untrustworthy, by definition.

Please don't abuse legal standards like this. Hearsay just means something heard secondhand, and while it's not normally admittable in a court of law, this doesn't make it "by definition" untrustworthy. Just not normally acceptable in the extremely controlled legal environment. If you miss a meeting at work and a friend takes notes for you, those notes are not "by definition" untrustworthy.

Also Paul's testimony is not hearsay. He may have been hallucinating, but it's very much a firsthand account.
 
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