How to get to heaven when you die

[I_are_sceptical]

No. He wasn't. And it doesn't.
See, Moses wasn't the "founder" of Christianity either. Jesus was. The resurrection wasn't for proof that Jesus was a true founder of religion, but to show that He is truly the Son of God.

Let's go to the Book about it, seeing as you've already said you believe the Bible is true. We have a point of reference now, K?

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
All things were created through Him and for Him.
He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
And He is the head of the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence."
Colossians 1:15-18

The part about Jesus having ALL the preeminence... that's the point. It's not that He proved the authenticity of any religion with His resurrection. He proved His identity as God.

Okay. For some reason that I have never uderstood, Christians keep asking me if Baha'u'llah died for my sins or was raised from the dead. They seem to think that I should not follow anyone who does not do those things. So I refer to Moses, Who gave us God's Word even though He did not die for anyone's sins and was not bodily resurrected a few days after He died. I believe Baha'u'llah gave us God's Word, and that, to me, is the important issue.

Here is a link to a Baha'i website on fulfilled prophecies. I have not actually read through the site myself, so I don't know how helpful it will be to you. The book that I know of that goes through a detailed explanation of Bible prophecies related to the Baha'i Faith has not been transcribed to the web yet.
http://www.bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/

 

[revelations12_12]

Okay. For some reason that I have never uderstood, Christians keep asking me if Baha'u'llah died for my sins or was raised from the dead. They seem to think that I should not follow anyone who does not do those things. So I refer to Moses, Who gave us God's Word even though He did not die for anyone's sins and was not bodily resurrected a few days after He died. I believe Baha'u'llah gave us God's Word, and that, to me, is the important issue.

Here is a link to a Baha'i website on fulfilled prophecies. I have not actually read through the site myself, so I don't know how helpful it will be to you. The book that I know of that goes through a detailed explanation of Bible prophecies related to the Baha'i Faith has not been transcribed to the web yet.
http://www.bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/

We do not worship moses, we worship Jesus Christ.

 

[I_are_sceptical]

We do not worship Moses, we worship Jesus Christ.

I am fully aware of that. From age six to age eleven, long before I knew the Baha'i Faith existed, I attended a Protestant Christian Sunday school.

May I ask why you thought I was saying that Moses was the Founder of Christianity, or that you worship Moses?

 

[revelations12_12]

you said

Okay. For some reason that I have never uderstood, Christians keep asking me if Baha'u'llah died for my sins or was raised from the dead. They seem to think that I should not follow anyone who does not do those things. So I refer to Moses, Who gave us God's Word even though He did not die for anyone's sins and was not bodily resurrected a few days after He died. I believe Baha'u'llah gave us God's Word, and that, to me, is the important issue.

Moses in this argument seems irrelevant Jesus gave the word of God and to say you now follow Baha'u'llah means the words of Jesus were false. Jesus said what is and what is to come, he did not mention Baha'u'llah.

False profits are very good at decieving, and I pray you will reavaluate the words of Christ, he was resurrected and was the son of God what he said was true.

 

[lisajane]

Well i wont get into this discussion but I am a christian and i still said that prayer because i just love the LORD so much and i know he is alive in my life amen to that.

 

[wykael]

Well i wont get into this discussion but I am a christian and i still said that prayer because i just love the LORD so much and i know he is alive in my life amen to that.

Awesome, lisajane! Simply awesome! When the Lord is alive in your life, it's hard to not see Him everywhere! It's hard to not have Him be a very active part of your every day! It's very exciting!

 

[JPPT1974]

I am on fire for God as well. That's awesome.

 

[I_are_sceptical]

Moses in this argument seems irrelevant

Not to me. I think it is an important issue. I wish I could find a Christian who is willing to discuss my questions with me.

to say you now follow Baha'u'llah means the words of Jesus were false.

Does the Baha'i Faith teach this? If it does, please quote Baha'i Scripture and cite your source.

Jesus said what is and what is to come, he did not mention Baha'u'llah.

There are statements, written and published by Baha'is, which interpret the Bible in a way that has Jesus prophesying that Baha'u'llah is the Second Coming.

False profits are very good at decieving

Yes, they are, but I have not been shown any evidence that the Prophet I follow is false.

I pray you will reavaluate the words of Christ, he was resurrected and was the son of God what he said was true.

How about helping me to properly evaluate His words?

If I accept that he was resurrected, He is the Son of God, and His words are true, how does that prove Baha'u'llah to be false?

 

[Snow Angel]

What is Baha'u'llah ?

 

[Scottish Joy]

I wish I could find a Christian who is willing to discuss my questions with me.

I tried.

Yes, they are, but I have not been shown any evidence that the Prophet I follow is false.

How 'bout this?

"I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ to a different gospel...
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed..."
Galatians 1:6-9

I did some studying on the Baha'i faith, and I found this quote by Abdul'l Baha:

"The revelation of Jesus was for His own dispensation, that of the Son, and now it is no longer the point of guidance to the world. Baha'is must be severed from all and everything that is past- things both good and bad- everything. Now all is changed. All the teachings of the past are past."

They appear to be clearly opposed.

 

[revelations12_12]

If I accept that he was resurrected, He is the Son of God, and His words are true, how does that prove Baha'u'llah to be false?

Jesus was to come again himself as a second coming, he again does not mention Baha'u'llah.

Acts 3:20 - And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: [read chapter]




read this in context this is a forecast of the second coming



Acts 1:11 - Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. [read chapter]

again a forecast of his second coming

1 Chronicles 16:33 - Then shall the trees of the wood sing out at the presence of the LORD, because he cometh to judge the earth. [read chapter]

1 Corinthians 1:7 - Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed. [read chapter]

Colossians 3:4 - When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. [read chapter]

And the most important

Exodus 20:3 - Thou shalt have no other gods before me. [read chapter]

 

[I_are_sceptical]

Baha'u'llah is the Founder of the Baha'i Faith, the religion I belong to. In English Baha'u'llah means "the Glory of God".


His actual name was Husayn-Ali.

 

[revelations12_12]

I am Christain I am here to discuss this with you.

 

[revelations12_12]

AND HE (Jesus) LED THEM OUT AS FAR AS TO BETHANY, AND HE LIFTED UP HIS HANDS, AND BLESSED THEM-Lk 24:50.
AND (or but) HER CHILD (Jesus was crucified, but rose from the dead and) WAS CAUGHT (or snatched) UP UNTO GOD, AND TO HIS THRONE-Rev 12:5.
AND WHEN HE HAD SPOKEN THESE THINGS, WHILE THEY BEHELD, HE WAS TAKEN UP; AND A CLOUD RECEIVED HIM OUT OF THEIR SIGHT-Acts 1:9.
AND IT CAME TO PASS, WHILE HE BLESSED THEM, HE WAS PARTED FROM THEM, AND CARRIED UP INTO HEAVEN-Lk 24:51.
HE WAS RECEIVED UP INTO HEAVEN, AND SAT ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD-Mk 16:19.
AND WHILE THEY LOOKED STEDFASTLY TOWARD HEAVEN AS HE WENT UP, BEHOLD, TWO MEN STOOD BY THEM IN WHITE APPAREL; WHICH ALSO SAID, YE MEN OF GALILEE, WHY STAND YE GAZING UP INTO HEAVEN? THIS SAME JESUS, WHICH IS TAKEN UP FROM YOU INTO HEAVEN, SHALL SO COME IN LIKE MANNER AS YE HAVE SEEN HIM GO INTO HEAVEN-Acts 1:10,11.
AND THEY WORSHIPED HIM, AND RETURNED TO JERUSALEM WITH GREAT JOY-Lk 24:52.
THEN RETURNED THEY UNTO JERUSALEM FROM THE MOUNT CALLED OLIVET, WHICH IS FROM JERUSALEM A SABBATH DAY’S JOURNEY-Acts 1:12.
It is written, JESUS CHRIST…WHOM THE HEAVEN MUST RECEIVE UNTIL THE TIMES OF RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS, WHICH GOD HATH SPOKEN BY THE MOUTH OF ALL HIS HOLY PROPHETS SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN-Acts 3:20,21.

 

[I_are_sceptical]

I tried.

Keep trying, if you want to.

How 'bout this?

"I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ to a different gospel...
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed..."
Galatians 1:6-9

I did some studying on the Baha'i faith, and I found this quote by Abdul'l Baha:

"The revelation of Jesus was for His own dispensation, that of the Son, and now it is no longer the point of guidance to the world. Baha'is must be severed from all and everything that is past- things both good and bad- everything. Now all is changed. All the teachings of the past are past."

They appear to be clearly opposed.

And your point is what? My religious beliefs are not based on the Bible to begin with. I accept 'Abdu'l-Baha's statement as true.
The New Testament was 2000 years ago. Maybe God has sent a new Revelation since then.

Furthermore, the Bible verse says "if we, or an angel from heaven". I do not believe the Baha'i Faith is from men, or angels. I believe it is from God. Therefore IMO the Biblical warning does not apply.

 

[revelations12_12]

<LI>To Stephen at his stoning-ref Acts 7:55-60

<LI>To Paul at his conversion-ref 1 Cor 15:8; Acts 9:3-8; 22:6-11, 14,15; 26:12-19

<LI>To Paul at Corinth-ref Acts 18:9,10

<LI>To Paul in Jerusalem at the temple-ref Acts 22:17-21

<LI>To Paul in Jerusalem at a later date-ref Acts 23:11

<LI>To John at Patmos-ref Rev 1:10-19

Jesus does not send new Christs he can appear in person.

 

[I_are_sceptical]

Post 52 is a response to Snow Angel's queston in post 49.

revelations12_12 Okay, you have quoted some verses from the Bible. But my religious beliefs are not based on the Bible. I turn to Baha'u'llah for spiritual guidance. Can you show me some evidence that, if there is a contradiction between what the Bible says and what the Baha'i Scriptures say, God wants me to choose to agree with the Bible?

 

[revelations12_12]

Post 52 is a response to Snow Angel's queston in post 49.

revelations12_12 Okay, you have quoted some verses from the Bible. But my religious beliefs are not based on the Bible. I turn to Baha'u'llah for spiritual guidance. Can you show me some evidence that, if there is a contradiction between what the Bible says and what the Baha'i Scriptures say, God wants me to choose to agree with the Bible?

You keep mentioning these scriptures, can you post the ones you are referencing and then we can work from there. Before you said you found reference in the bible, if you could also qoute that scripture that would help us along.

Looking forward to this debate brother.

 

[I_are_sceptical]

Jesus does not send new Christs he can appear in person.

Baha'u'llah does not claim to be a "new" Christ. He claims to be the same Christ with new and updated teachings from God.

 

[revelations12_12]

all I can really do is make the case for Jesus as lord, as for making the case for the baha'l allh this I am not qualified to do.