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The satisfied have to need to justify their satisfaction. . .You are fully satisfied with a formula that nobody knows/understands what it is? Okay.
Are you sure that attitude is significantly better than that of cults? And can you explain how it is better?
That works for me also.BTW, are you changing the subject here?
I was referring specifically to the Hypostatic Union, not to the general doctrine of the Trinity. I'm a Trinitarian of course.
Who? Those who wrote it? The problem is that they are not explaining what they wrote. That's why we have Bible commentaries and that is why we have great use of the writings of the Early Church Fathers.Are they the only ones who know how it is used?
Are there not other great divines who also know how it is used?
What's to explain? We have the whole counsel of God from which to understand it.Who? Those who wrote it? The problem is that they are not explaining what they wrote.
The early church Fathers aren't the only ones who understand.That's why we have Bible commentaries and that is why we have great use of the writings of the Early Church Fathers.
That's what the cults say.The satisfied have to need to justify their satisfaction. . .
Why are you changing the subject? What do well-understood, scientifically supported claims have to do with magical, supernatural assertions incomprehensible to everyone?And? . . .I bet they also say that the sun rises in the east. . .and I stand with them in that assertion.
Scripture alone.@Clare73,
At times, the way you speak of orthodoxy seems to have an authoritative ring to it. That's just my imagination, right?
Do you see orthodoxy as an authority? Or Scripture alone?
I give up. . .what do they?Why are you changing the subject? What do well-understood, scientifically supported claims have to do with magical, supernatural assertions incomprehensible to everyone?
Of course the Early Fathers aren't the only ones who understand, and I'm sure they didn't understand all and neither do you and I or anyone else except God. I'm saying they are a great tool in the toolbox. To not make use of it, is not very wise.What's to explain? We have the whole counsel of God from which to understand it.
The early church Fathers aren't the only ones who understand.
I find other tools to be better.Of course the Early Fathers aren't the only ones who understand, and I'm sure they didn't understand all and neither do you and I or anyone else except God. I'm saying they are a great tool in the toolbox. To not make use of it, is not very wise.
You seem to be deflecting, dancing in circles. You still haven't explained how the Christian practice of accepting incomprehensible supernatural beliefs, such as the Hypostatic Union, is significantly more commendable than the cultic practice of accepting incomprehensible supernatural beliefs.I give up. . .what do they?
Give me 10 good reasons why I should do so.You seem to be deflecting, dancing in circles. You still haven't explained how the Christian practice of accepting incomprehensible supernatural beliefs, such as the Hypostatic Union, is significantly more commendable than the cultic practice of accepting incomprehensible supernatural beliefs.
This is clearly deflection. If everything in life had to wait for us to know 10 specific reasons, many of our responsibilities would get neglected.Give me 10 good reasons why I should do so.
Why?I find other tools to be better.
Nobody's soul depends on my doctrine nor practice.This is clearly deflection. If everything in life had to wait for us to know 10 specific reasons, many of our responsibilities would get neglected.
Anyway here's one good reason: 100 billion souls potentially at stake if our doctrine, or our practice is wrong. Therefore we should shun a cult-like attitude and mindset - a mindset that prefers incoherent beliefs over coherent ones.
The advantage of the ECF over other sources is that their writings are so close in time to Christ and to when the Bible was written. Some of them may also have been taught directly from the apostles or have been taught by those that have. I know you have pointed out they may not have had access to all books of the Bible, and that's a weakness you have to accept studying them.More comprehensive.
But in all things, they cannot go beyond the Scriptures, and if I have the Scriptures, I have what they had.The advantage of the ECF over other sources is that their writings are so close in time to Christ and to when the Bible was written. Some of them may also have been taught directly from the apostles or have been taught by those that have. I know you have pointed out they may not have had access to all books of the Bible, and that's a weakness you have to accept studying them.
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