How the Smallest Cells Give Big Evidence for a Creator

[Christodoulos]

This is a poorly asked question. You assume that there was a "who" involved.

Now are you talking about the formation of the Earth or the start of the universe as we know it? Clearly asked questions are a must if you want clear answers.

can you explain this? There Is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind: Amazon.co.uk: Antony Flew, Roy Abraham Varghese: 8601400707494: Books

 

[Subduction Zone]

can you explain this? There Is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind: Amazon.co.uk: Antony Flew, Roy Abraham Varghese: 8601400707494: Books

Yes, he got old and scared. A fear of death is natural. No one wants to die.

ETA: By the way, he did not become a Christian. So how does that support you?

 

[Christodoulos]

Wrong. I don't claim that there is no god. It's just that I'm not convinced by any argument, so far, that there is one. You said:

"It contains information on the existence of God and the Creation of the world by this God, out of nothing. These, and many more Facts are taught in its pages, and it remains up to those who deny these Facts, to disprove them."

You are the one who is claiming they are facts. The burden of proof is upon you to demonstrate it is so. "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

I also do not claim that Jesus never existed.

The Holy Bible says, "In the beginning God created..." (Genesis 1:1). You say that He did not. It is up to you do show how the world begun, where did the entire universe come from?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Holy Bible says, "In the beginning God created..." (Genesis 1:1). You say that He did not. It is up to you do show how the world begun, where did the entire universe come from?

Wrong, he says that there is no evidence that supports that claim. Therefore there is no reason to believe it. The burden of proof is once again upon you.

 

[Christodoulos]

Yes, he got old and scared. A fear of death is natural. No one wants to die.

You guys make me laugh. why would he fear death when all his life he did not believe in eternal punishment nor in hell? He saw for himself that all his life he had been wrong, and was honest enough to make this public, rather than hide under more lame excuses!

 

[Christodoulos]

Wrong, he says that there is no evidence that supports that claim. Therefore there is no reason to believe it. The burden of proof is once again upon you.

You sound like a stuck record! Don't you have any ideas about the beginning of the universe? are you saying that it did not begin?

 

[46AND2]

The Holy Bible says, "In the beginning God created..." (Genesis 1:1). You say that He did not. It is up to you do show how the world begun, where did the entire universe come from?

No it isn't. YOU are the one making the claim, not me. I don't claim to know how the universe began, (I am not even making the claim that your god didn't). You are the one who claims to know how the universe began, therefore, it is up to you to prove it is so.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You sound like a stuck record! Don't you have any ideas about the beginning of the universe? are you saying that it did not begin?

That is only because you keep making the same errors.

I could tell you a fair amount about the beginning of the universe. Just not why it began. That is not known right now. But not knowing something is never a valid excuse for inventing a god.

 

[46AND2]

You sound like a stuck record! Don't you have any ideas about the beginning of the universe? are you saying that it did not begin?

Why would I just make up an answer for something I don't know?

 

[Christodoulos]

No it isn't. YOU are the one making the claim, not me. I don't claim to know how the universe began, (I am not even making the claim that your god didn't). You are the one who claims to know how the universe began, therefore, it is up to you to prove it is so.

The Bible very clearly tell us exactly how it all began. And there is NO other explanation to rebut this claim. You won't say because you cannot say, or are afraid to do so, which is normally the case for those who deny Creation.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You guys make me laugh. why would he fear death when all his life he did not believe in eternal punishment nor in hell? He saw for himself that all his life he had been wrong, and was honest enough to make this public, rather than hide under more lame excuses!

What would he be punished for? That is a Christian belief, and one only held by some Christians. It also makes your version of God out to be immoral.

A fear of death is natural. Not existing is a scary thought.

 

[Christodoulos]

That is only because you keep making the same errors.

I could tell you a fair amount about the beginning of the universe. Just not why it began. That is not known right now. But not knowing something is never a valid excuse for inventing a god.

would you ever be humble enough to say you don't know, and that the Bible could well be right?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Bible very clearly tell us exactly how it all began. And there is NO other explanation to rebut this claim. You won't say because you cannot say, or are afraid to do so, which is normally the case for those who deny Creation.

No, it only says that a magical being spoke a magical spell. Not too much information there.

And since there is no evidence to support it there is no rational reason to believe it.

Once again the burden of proof is upon you.

 

[Christodoulos]

What would he be punished for? That is a Christian belief, and one only held by some Christians. It also makes your version of God out to be immoral.

A fear of death is natural. Not existing is a scary thought.

not for those who believe in annihilation!

 

[Subduction Zone]

would you ever be humble enough to say you don't know, and that the Bible could well be right?

I did say that I do not know how the universe started. And if you read the Bible literally it has been shown to be wrong.

 

[Christodoulos]

Why would I just make up an answer for something I don't know?

you don't know, could the Bible's Account then be right?

 

[Subduction Zone]

not for those who believe in annihilation!

No, many people that have no fear of hell are still afraid of death.

 

[Christodoulos]

I did say that I do not know how the universe started. And if you read the Bible literally it has been shown to be wrong.

have you ever read the Bible and found mistakes yourself?

 

[Subduction Zone]

have you ever read the Bible and found mistakes yourself?

Yes.

 

[Christodoulos]

No, many people that have no fear of hell are still afraid of death.

we are here talking about Mr Flew and not anyone else. You made the statement that this self-confessed atheist, who was supposed to have been the "biggest" in the world, changed his mind because he was afraid to die. Do you know this for a fact? Why would it seem incredible to you that he saw that he was wrong all his life, and then changed his mind because of what he read in the Holy Bible?