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How the Democratic Party opposes Christian Principles

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Actually, all welfare programs including Social Security comprises over 50% of the Federal budget.
our defense budget is somewhere near 80 percent.

80+50=%130=wrong.

Our social welfare is being cut, cut, cut more and more all the time and it is nowhere near half of our budget.

If our defense budget is near 80, how could welfare be close to fifty? Oh yeah, its not!

I don't know where you get your info but, I am politely saying thats wrong.

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So Clirus, what would you do with the hundreds of thousands, PLUS people who need to be destroyed. Presumably. Would you give them a break first to repent, and if they did not , how you would your society deal with them?

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That may be your interpretation of what I said, but that is not what I said.

Why do you think there are hundreds of thousands, PLUS people who need to be destroyed?



Because Clirus, according to God's law, which you have touted time and time again, if enforced properly according to the Christian Reconstructionists who believe in it, heretics, women who have had abortions, blasphemers, adulteresses, and witches, plus children who have wilfully disobeyed children, need to be executed, under God's laws, which include hanging, stoning, burning, and the sword.

Or do you not believe in the implementation of these laws in Godly government?

Please respond honestly and in a detailed fashion, so that we can know how deeply your religious beliefs really resonate....
 
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Your entire argument is a house of cards. By not defining what you mean while continuing to post the same stuff over and over, you are more proving that your knowledge on this and the other issues at hand is limited at best.

Christian Principles


What are "Christian principles"? Define your terms!

Atheistic Principles


What are "Atheistic principles"? Do you even know?



One generalization after another. I find that people often use generalizations when they have no good arguments for their point of view.

Atheistic Principles are like a house of cards, you pull one out and the whole thing falls down.


Stop spending all your time making assertions such as this one and start proving what you've already said.

Atheists know issues like welfare, health care, stem cell research, evolution, etc. are just faith based promises/theories that are not based on proof.


Uh...whatever you say.

is where Christians should state, "prove it".


You still have yet to prove everything you've stated thus far.

We're waiting.
Ringo
 
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trust me, if anything, God is gonna judge us for Texas.

lol
 
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Because Clirus, according to God's law, which you have touted time and time again, if enforced properly according to the Christian Reconstructionists who believe in it, heretics, women who have had abortions, blasphemers, adulteresses, and witches, plus children who have wilfully disobeyed children, need to be executed, under God's laws, which include hanging, stoning, burning, and the sword.

Or do you not believe in the implementation of these laws in Godly government?

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That may be your interpretation, but that is not what I stated.

Congress, as the representatives of the people decide what constitutes Civil Law. If the Civil Law is consistent with Christian Principles of both the New and Old Testament, the nation will be good. If the Civil Law is consistent with Atheistic Principles, the nation will be evil.

The New Testament calls for tolerance, for those things that do not represent a threat to the individual or the society.
 
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1) Has there ever been any proof that any non living matter has ever become living?

This is abiogenesis and has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution.

As for your other questions they have been answered many times both on this board and on others. Perhaps a little basic research is in order?

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The question of non living matter becoming living matter is the central issue of Evolution.

If there is proof, please supply that proof.

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would you like a list of observed speciation events?

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Yes, please.
 
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The question of non living matter becoming living matter is the central issue of Evolution.
It is not. This is a falsehood on which you have been corrected any number of times.

How life first arose is no part of the theory of evolution. Whether it came into being naturally via chemical/biological processes or was miraculously brought into being by a deity is irrelevant to the theory of evolution. Evolution deals with how life forms change, not how life comes into being in the first place.

Question: If it were conclusively established tomorrow that a deity miraculously imbued the first cells with life, how much of evolutionary theory would change? Answer: zero.
 
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Incredible. Clirus just passed over a response which told him, his claim has nothing to do with evolution. Clirus's reply? He makes the exact same claim. He's a testament that fundies aren't just scientifically inept an liars, but apparently willfully ignorant.
 
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According to most of your posts, you believe that this country is being run by Atheists, or those who follow the "Atheistic Lifestyle".

So therefore, if this nation is indeed evil, as you seem to believe, how do you implement God's Law to smite the evil elements in this society? If the statistics are correct, the implementation would affect literally at least 200 million people in this country.
 
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The question of non living matter becoming living matter is the central issue of Evolution.

No it is not. Evolution presupposes the existence of life -- where that life came form is irrelevent.

Perhaps you should spend some time over in the Creation/Evolution subforum and learn what exactly it is you're railing against?
 
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No it is not. Evolution presupposes the existence of life -- where that life came form is irrelevent.

Perhaps you should spend some time over in the Creation/Evolution subforum and learn what exactly it is you're railing against?

Only to those who know that their religion doesn't allow them to answer that question.
 
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ONEGod:
Our forefathers made it abundantly clear we are and were birthed as a Judeo-Christian nation, and how clearly they told us so.


CommisarSteve:
Indeed, especially that part where Thomas Jefferson published a version of the New Testament without any miracles or supernatural happenings in it - not to mention the part where Benjamin Franklin said that he doubted Jesus' Divinity.
CommisarSteve:
Yeeeeeeup...it don't get much more Judeo-Christian than that.

ONEGod:
You gotta be kiddin, Jefferson writes in his private time and that erases the clear intent of all the other forefathers who expresses their opinion clear as day ? Talk about yer way out in left field and out of touch with reality/history ! The Deism portrayed today is not the Deism of the Eighteenth-Century America though some attempt to twist words and history to suit their politics.

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel02.html
II. Religion in Eighteenth-Century America

DEISM
"Deism" is a loosely used term that describes the views of certain English and continental thinkers. These views attracted a following in Europe toward the latter part of the seventeenth century and gained a small but influential number of adherents in America in the late eighteenth century. Deism stressed morality and rejected the orthodox Christian view of the divinity of Christ, often viewing him as nothing more than a "sublime" teacher of morality. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams are usually considered the leading American deists. There is no doubt that they subscribed to the deist credo that all religious claims were to be subjected to the scrutiny of reason. "Call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion," Jefferson advised. Other founders of the American republic, including George Washington, are frequently identified as deists, although the evidence supporting such judgments is often thin. Deists in the United States never amounted to more than a small percentage of an evangelical population. Christianity Not Mysterious: or, a Treatise shewing, That there is nothing in the Gospel Contrary to Reason, . . . . A Deist Tract
 
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You gotta be kiddin, Jefferson writes in his private time and that erases the clear intent of all the other forefathers who expresses their opinion clear as day ?

My point is, their intent wasn't what you claim it is, regarding church and state - at least "clearly," as you put it.

Talk about yer way out in left field and out of touch with reality/history !

Try me, with regard to reality and history. As for "out of left field," how do you figure?

The Deism portrayed today is not the Deism of the Eighteenth-Century America though some attempt to twist words and history to suit their politics.

That's hardly the point; what is the point is that, whatever the Founding Fathers were, many of them were not Nicene Creed Christians.

Deism stressed morality and rejected the orthodox Christian view of the divinity of Christ, often viewing him as nothing more than a "sublime" teacher of morality. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams are usually considered the leading American deists.

Like I said.
 
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yes, the forefathers would probably be deemed today as 'untrue christians', like many of us are.

their religious views mixed alot of philosophy with spiritual doctrine. Even Descartes believed in God though. "I think therefor I am" precluded that he was only sure of innate knowledge, God, and his own mind, yet everything else he could certainly say he wasn't sure whether or not they truely existed.

Each of the forefathers, however I am sure, had their own individual beliefs with vast differences and similarities to any other given individual.
 
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So therefore, if this nation is indeed evil, as you seem to believe, how do you implement God's Law to smite the evil elements in this society? If the statistics are correct, the implementation would affect literally at least 200 million people in this country.

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Who is the one with hate in their heart?

I state tolerance and you state smite.

Evil can be tolerated, except where evil represents a threat to an individual or the society (as determined by congress, the authorized representatives of the people).

I believe that if people are presented an honest unbiased presentation of the Atheistic Lifestyle and the Christian Lifestyle, they would choose the Christian Lifestyle and the Atheistic Lifestyle would fade back into the closet.
 
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Question: If it were conclusively established tomorrow that a deity miraculously imbued the first cells with life, how much of evolutionary theory would change? Answer: zero.

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If it were conclusively established tomorrow that a deity miraculously imbued the first cells with life, Atheists would be lined up trying to get to a preacher to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Evolution would not be a subject worth discussing except that evolution directly attacks the Bible concerning the origin of life. The Bible states God breathed life into man and evolution states man came about when non living matter became living matter.

If Atheists cannot prove that non living matter can become living matter, then evolution is incorrect and the only thing left is adaptation of living things to their surroundings. If Atheists cannot prove that non living matter can become living matter, then evolution is incorrect and the word evolution should be replaced by the more accurate word adaptation.

The word adaptation is more correct and less offensive to Christians.
 
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