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<blockquote data-quote="zephcom" data-source="post: 73984662" data-attributes="member: 400000"><p>Religionists like to think they are circumventing logic by making up phrases they think are mysterious and inscrutable. </p><p></p><p>But logic still applies in our lives. And it is logic which makes the idea that God knows what we will do and that we have freedom to choose a non-starter. Christians particularly have a massive problem with this issue because they insist that each person HAS to decide to be 'saved' or they are forever lost while their God, by definition has to be able to know everything. </p><p></p><p>In order to keep their religion afloat they have to reconcile how an individual can truly choose and their God know before hand what they have chosen. Your 'outside of time' is one attempt to reconcile that issue. It fails, however, because Christianity insists that God is active 'inside of time' and carries that information with Him.</p><p></p><p>And as mere humans, we simply do not have the ability to make Him wrong. And that means while we may perceive that we have free will, in reality we don't. We can only do what God knows we will do. </p><p></p><p>And that destroys the Christian concept that we can choose or not choose to be 'saved'. It is the Achilles Heel of modern Christianity. And the apologists will make up all sorts of word spaghetti in order to make that problem go away.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="zephcom, post: 73984662, member: 400000"] Religionists like to think they are circumventing logic by making up phrases they think are mysterious and inscrutable. But logic still applies in our lives. And it is logic which makes the idea that God knows what we will do and that we have freedom to choose a non-starter. Christians particularly have a massive problem with this issue because they insist that each person HAS to decide to be 'saved' or they are forever lost while their God, by definition has to be able to know everything. In order to keep their religion afloat they have to reconcile how an individual can truly choose and their God know before hand what they have chosen. Your 'outside of time' is one attempt to reconcile that issue. It fails, however, because Christianity insists that God is active 'inside of time' and carries that information with Him. And as mere humans, we simply do not have the ability to make Him wrong. And that means while we may perceive that we have free will, in reality we don't. We can only do what God knows we will do. And that destroys the Christian concept that we can choose or not choose to be 'saved'. It is the Achilles Heel of modern Christianity. And the apologists will make up all sorts of word spaghetti in order to make that problem go away. [/QUOTE]
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