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Son of God
It must have been hard for him to witness anything while he was blinded on the way to Damascus. That was nice of Jesus to minister to him and to give him his vision back. He was much more than a witness, he was and IS an active participant in Jesus' earthly ministry.
I'm sure that his 2 Corinthians trip up to Heaven brought him right up to speed.
Ok, I tested them and they're all as good as gold tried in the fire.
Does that mean I'm not Abraham's seed anymore?
Didn't Paul convert the Philippian jailer by saying: “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Sounds like a sound Gospel filter to me.
"Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
I was on another forum where a guy didn't like Paul at all. He blew a gasket every time Paul's name was mentioned and I could never understand why. My theory at the time was that some might blame Paul for the redefining of terms like "Israel" or "Jew" and hold Paul responsible for shifting the end time emphasis away from the nation of Israel in the middle east and over to the Israel of God..
"Saint" is not used in the Bible to refer to someone who is sinless. They way that the word is used in the Bible does not correspond with what you want it to mean, so I suggest that you adjust your views accordingly rather than continue inserting your views into the text.
After reading this thread, I can see how they used to burn people at the stake in days gone by. Heresy is a highly contagious and terminal disease. There is simply no friendly way to live with something like Ebola. You kill it, and you kill it completely, else risk the lives of an entire village.
And scripture says there where?
He was assigned his role by the church in Jerusalem. Paul was not a free lancer that you make him out to be.
Paul's writings may qualify to be called hearsay!
The gospel went out to th Jews, when Jesus sent them in twos, before the gospel went out to the Gentiles, by which the Lord used Paul as his vehicle in doing so. Paul was assigned his role, was made accountable to the apostles who made up the church in Jerusalem. Paul's writings highlight how he wanted to desperately be the one to reach his fellow Jews, but it was not his choice to do so, rather he was told what to do by the body of Christ on Jerusalem.
Just look at how many times he writes to the Gentiles, as if he is trying to reach out to the Jews in hope that they through the Gentiles can also be called to Christ. So Paul couldn't do it directly, rather held out hope that they would be moved by jealously to also come to Christ.
It is clear that Paul was given orders by the church and was instructed to be an apostle to the Gentiles, even though his heart was with his fellow Jewish people.
If you are saying that Paul forgot the commandments of Jesus to reach out to the Jews also, you are mistaken. This man was so zealous for his fellow Jews, that the head of the church prevented him from being an apostle to the Jews.Just read how he is conveying that he is assigned to be an apostle to the Gentiles, though he wished that he could also directly preach to the Jews.
Do you remember what the Lord said.....in relation to the parable of the vineyard workers. You see the Jews were the first that were preached the gospel, but they shall be the last to recieve it. The Jews as a nation are the 11th nori workmen.
16So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
Once again, Jesus never specifically said to anyone "you are my apostle..." This is not a valid argument. Claiming that Paul is not an apostle because Jesus didn't call him an apostle is like claiming that Peter wasn't a believer because Jesus didn't call him a believer. Jesus never specifically called anyone an apostle.
Self-claims is such a tired and disproven argument. Just because you don't believe Paul doesn't make his testimony any less valid. All we have in the Bible are self claims by the people who wrote scriptures.
No, actually the first recorded division we have was Peter's doing.
No, I'm not. What I am is tired of continually providing scripture and scholarly support only to be answered with "no, I'm right. You're wrong. Nananananananana I'm not listening. We don't need logic because we have the Spirit. I hate Paul."
I would hardly call Strong's a secular definition.
Oh please. God gave us minds that are able to use reason for a reason. You can prove anything by bad logic. (If you want to see some examples of bad logic, take a look at all of your posts on this thread thus far).
Jesus taught us to treat others with respect. Not only are continual ad hominems not proper debate and forbidden on CF, they are also against Jesus' own commandments. You have falsely accused me of holding many views throughout your posts that I have continually demonstrated I do not hold.
Your definition will not fit the important spiritual aspect of calling 12. 72 disciples cannot be called apostles.
You may have to place this before Jesus for a debate questioning the use of the words 'chosen instrument' specifically for Paul's calling!
You don't require the title of apostle to follow Christ.
Both to Gentiles and Jews. Paul on his own limited to Gentiles for convenience.
A self-claim wanted to push his agenda!
No, I have shown what Jesus called him.
Jesus called him his chosen one - it seems you don't want to accept that.
righttruth,
1. If there can only be 12 apostles is not scriptural.
The 12 were picked by Jesus and were his disciples in his earthly ministry. Apostle means one sent with the true message and so they became Apostles after Jesus arose and ascended up to heaven.
Jesus told them in Matthew 28 to go into all the world and preach the gospel. They were all eyewitnesses of Jesus resurrection except for Judas who betrayed Jesus and hung himself before the resurrection and ascension of Christ.
In Acts 1 the apostles picked one to replace Judas who had to be an eyewitness of the resurrection and that was Matthias.
Paul was like one born out of time but was given the apostleship by God alone of the resurrection after the fact. He defends his apostleship in the church at Corinth and he got his revelations in Arabia before going up to Jerusalem and Peter and Peter regarded him as his equal.
3. Concerning the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection all the apostles preached. Acts 4:2, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
In Jesus earthly ministry of the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God Jesus did not preach for the jews to be saved.
4. In essence Paul was not deviating from Jesus message of the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection but Christ didn't fully reveal it and didn't demand it in his earthly ministry to the jews only of the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God message. After his resurrection he fully revealed the meaning of what the prophets said about the prophecies of his being the Savior and the mission of the cross and resurrection and that the gospel should be preached in his name about the death and resurrection. Paul and Jesus are in perfect harmony.
This was before Paul got tired of the jews being stubborn and rejecting the true message of the body of Christ and he went specifically to the gentiles and Peter affirmed his ministry was a God thing as Paul recognized Peter's ministry to the jews.
7. John also talked about those who said they were apostles to the church of Ephesus in Revelation 2:2; and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them to be liars. Why try those who say they are apostles if there were only 12 apostles? John was the only apostle of the original 12 who was alive and this was in the 90's A.D. and 70 A.D. was twenty years before when many of the others were dead.
8. Paul and Jesus are in harmony with the old testament scriptures for Jesus ordained the church. What was concealed in the old is revealed in the new. Jesus didn't preach to the new testament church of the jews and gentiles in one body in his earthly ministry so does this mean it can't be true?
9. The fact is that Jesus earthly ministry was under the old covenant and not the new covenant. It was the transition and was leading up to it but it was not the new covenant age. One must understand the mission of Jesus to the jews and the mission of saving the world as well and also that he lived under, and taught the old covenant and not the new covenant. One has to understand gradual revelation to get the proper perspective of what unfolded, how it unfolded and why and understand the time factor also. Jerry kelso
Actually Paul had hands laid on him at Antioch.
Acts 13
It's not my definition; it's what the word means. In the verses I quoted, and elsewhere, where the text says "sent", the word is apostolos, or some variation.
You seem to be fixated on the word "apostle". Why don't you address the fact that Jesus chose Paul? You rightly say that Jesus is truth. You have also said that he is the Son of God it is his words that save.
Well Jesus - the Son of God, the Saviour and the truth - called and chose Paul. Paul did not convert himself - he hated Jesus and his followers. He was a zealous Pharisee and didn't accept the followers of the Way. Then he met Jesus. The Lord Jesus told Ananais that Paul was his chosen vessel - Paul was HIS choice and HIS man.
So you are dissing Jesus' man; you are saying that the person that JESUS, the Son of God, chose is false. What does that say about what you think of Jesus?
No, but your criticism was that Paul was demanding that people follow him.
Apostle - as I have said - is used for one who is sent. You admit that Jesus chose Paul - he also sent him to the Gentiles.
So Paul was chosen, and sent, by the Son of God - apostled.
In Romans 9 Paul speaks of his great love for the Jews, saying that he would even give up his own salvation if they would turn to Christ and acknowledge him as the Messiah.
Your assessment that Paul proclaimed himself to be an apostle and was pushing his own agenda is a judgement influenced heavily by the fact that you don't accept him. You reject the Lord's chosen.
Jesus called him his chosen one - it seems you don't want to accept that.
God has children? How did you come to that conclusion?
Sounds like my Bible will be a little lighter once you become Pope.
Sounds like my Bible will be a little lighter once you become Pope.
That is symbolic spiritually--somewhat beyond human compression! Mohammed rejects the son ship by that argument.
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