How should we keep the Sabbath holy?

HIM · Nov 18, 2021

Hammster said:
I’m sorry, but I’m not understanding your questions. They look like statements with question marks at the end.

They are.

However You went from where does it say to worship, to where does it say to corporate worship.

If we tell you they were not to leave their dwellings in resting and Worshipping God on the Sabbath. That the Rest and Sabbath worship is to be done by families within there own dwellings to ensure that not one person was over burden with any responsibility. So That all would get the spiritual and physical rest that is needed; would you ANY HERE believe? And that because most who profess are not Spiritually where we need to be, Corporate worship was aloud to ensure the people would get Spiritually fed at least; would any here believe?

But we have now as since it was aloud a group of individuals who never truly partake of the physical rest because they are responsible for feeding congregations rather than just their immediate families.

Hammster · Nov 18, 2021

HIM said:
They are.

However You went from where does it say to worship, to where does it say to corporate worship.

If we tell you they were not to leave their dwellings in resting and Worshipping God on the Sabbath. That the Rest and Sabbath worship is to be done by families within there own dwellings to ensure that not one person was over burden with any responsibility. So That all would get the spiritual and physical rest that is needed; would you ANY HERE believe? And that because most who profess are not Spiritually where we need to be, Corporate worship was aloud to ensure the people would get Spiritually fed at least; would any here believe?

But we have now as since it was aloud a group of individuals who never truly partake of the physical rest because they are responsible for feeding congregations rather than just their immediate families.

The reason for the distinction is that we should be worshipping every day. So that’s not in question.

So where in Moses’ writings is the command to worship corporately on the Sabbath?

OldWiseGuy · Nov 28, 2021

HARK! said:
How should I interpret this sign?

Watch what goes through the entrance.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 28, 2021

Hammster said:
The reason for the distinction is that we should be worshipping every day. So that’s not in question. So where in Moses’ writings is the command to worship corporately on the Sabbath?

Worshiping God everyday is not what this discussion is about and has never been in dispute. The topic of discussion here is what does the bible teach in regards to keeping God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments as a holy day. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7) according to the scriptures. Everyone of course should worship God every day that has never been in question. However, God's 4th commandments is a specific day God has blessed and set aside for worship (Genesis 2:1-3; Ezekiel 46:1-3 and Isaiah 66:22-23) for all mankind (Mark 2:27) to "remember" God as the creator of heaven and earth, where no secular or domestic work; business; buying and selling is to be done of any kind (Exodus 20:8-11) from "sunset to sunset" on the seventh day of the week as a memorial of creation and God as the creator of heaven and earth.

Take Care.

Hammster · Nov 28, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Worshiping God everyday is not what this discussion is about and has never been in dispute. The topic of discussion here is what does the bible teach in regards to keeping God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments as a holy day. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7) according to the scriptures. Everyone of course should worship God every day that has never been in question. However, God's 4th commandments is a specific day God has blessed and set aside for worship (Genesis 2:1-3; Ezekiel 46:1-3 and Isaiah 66:22-23) for all mankind (Mark 2:27) to "remember" God as the creator of heaven and earth, where no secular or domestic work; business; buying and selling is to be done of any kind (Exodus 20:8-11) from "sunset to sunset" on the seventh day of the week as a memorial of creation and God as the creator of heaven and earth.

Take Care.

I recognize Jesus’ Sabbath. So I’m good.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 28, 2021

Hammster said:
I recognize Jesus’ Sabbath. So I’m good.

There is no scripture calling Jesus a "sabbath". The only definition of God's 4th commandment "sabbath" is the "seventh day" of the week *Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God:..". This is a reference back to Genesis 2:1-3 to the seventh day of the creation week.

Hammster · Nov 28, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
There is no scripture calling Jesus a "sabbath". The only definition of God's 4th commandment "sabbath" is the "seventh day" of the week *Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God:..". This is a reference back to Genesis 2:1-3 to the seventh day of the creation week.

What day did God the Son rest?

LoveGodsWord · Nov 28, 2021

Hammster said:
What day did God the Son rest?

Jesus as creator God rested on the Sabbath day that he blessed and made as a holy day of rest and a memorial of creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) for all mankind. Jesus taught us that it is lawful to do good on the sabbath and that the sabbath was made for all mankind and that He is the creator God of Heaven and earth and is Lord of the sabbath day (see Mark 2:27-28; John 1:1-4; 14; Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11 and Matthew 12:1-12) which He commands us to keep as a holy day of rest *Exodus 20:8-11 in God's 10 commandments which give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7).

Hammster · Nov 28, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Jesus as creator God rested on the Sabbath day that he blessed and made as a holy day or rest as a memorial of creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) for all mankind. Jesus taught us that it is lawful to do good on the sabbath and that the sabbath was made for all mankind and that He is the creator God of Heaven and earth and is Lord of the sabbath day (see Mark 2:27-28; John 1:1-4; 14; Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11 and Matthew 12:1-12) which He commands us to keep as a holy day of rest *Exodus 20:8-11 in God's 10 commandments which give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7).

What day did the God-Man rest (sad that I have to put it this way since I know you know what I meant)?

FredVB · Nov 30, 2021

Certainly Jesus Christ when he came observed to rest, according to what is meant in the Bible, on the seventh day, every seven days, for Sabbath. That Jesus did good, with miracles, was not violating that, regardless of what leaders observing their traditions said. Jesus Christ who was perfectly obedient was right.

FredVB · Dec 1, 2021

Hammster said:
I recognize Jesus’ Sabbath. So I’m good.

Nobody at all observed Sabbath properly before, only Jesus Christ when he came was doing everything right in perfect obedience to the will of the heavenly Father. The only right way to observe Sabbath includes Jesus Christ through whom we come to that actual rest meant for us. That is the only right observance of Sabbath ever. As Jesus Christ said, Sabbath is made for man, even while man is not made for Sabbath. Of course we have much more meaning and God values us. Not observing Sabbath rest on every seventh day when it is Sabbath, that Yahweh said is holy, regardless of us and our activities, will not help for rest in Christ.

Hammster · Dec 1, 2021

FredVB said:
Nobody at all observed Sabbath properly before, only Jesus Christ when he came was doing everything right in perfect obedience to the will of the heavenly Father. The only right way to observe Sabbath includes Jesus Christ through whom we come to that actual rest meant for us. That is the only right observance of Sabbath ever. As Jesus Christ said, Sabbath is made for man, even while man is not made for Sabbath. Of course we have much more meaning and God values us. Not observing Sabbath rest on every seventh day when it is Sabbath, that Yahweh said is holy, regardless of us and our activities, will not help for rest in Christ.

I observe it on the day Christ rested from His work.

Bob S · Dec 2, 2021

Hammster said:
I observe it on the day Christ rested from His work.

Wouldn't that be Saturday? Friday would only be a partial day and the same for Sunday.

Hammster · Dec 2, 2021

Bob S said:
Wouldn't that be Saturday? Friday would only be a partial day and the same for Sunday.

No.

FredVB · Dec 5, 2021

Hammster said:
I observe it on the day Christ rested from His work.

Christ who was perfectly obedient to all things of the commandments from God rested properly according to the commandment for remembering the Sabbath with observing it every seven days, from sunset before it to sunset at the end of the seventh day. That would be the day Christ rested from his work, every seven days. It is good to rest then, with communion through Christ. Of course, as it must be in mind, he rose from death also after the Sabbath. Maybe talking about how to rest from work on the Sabbath would be good in this thread's subject.

Bob S · Dec 6, 2021

FredVB said:
Christ who was perfectly obedient to all things of the commandments from God rested properly according to the commandment for remembering the Sabbath with observing it every seven days, from sunset before it to sunset at the end of the seventh day. That would be the day Christ rested from his work, every seven days. It is good to rest then, with communion through Christ. Of course, as it must be in mind, he rose from death also after the Sabbath. Maybe talking about how to rest from work on the Sabbath would be good in this thread's subject.

Yes Fred, please tell us how to rest. My observations find that observers engage in secular conversations and other things on the Holy day interrupting communion with God?

Bob S · Dec 6, 2021

Hammster said:
No.

Hmmm! I presume then you rest on Sunday. Does that mean you also keep the day holy? If so, how do you accomplish that feat and why?

Hammster · Dec 6, 2021

Bob S said:
Hmmm! I presume then you rest on Sunday. Does that mean you also keep the day holy? If so, how do you accomplish that feat and why?

When do you stand up and read the scriptures?

FredVB · Dec 9, 2021

Bob S said:
Yes Fred, please tell us how to rest. My observations find that observers engage in secular conversations and other things on the Holy day interrupting communion with God?

I was hoping in this thread others could also post how they would rest with observing Sabbath rest. I am not the model, and I know already I would still change in ways to better approach it. I don't say any are condemned for not doing it right, when we are in Christ. I am not legalistic, whatever is being assumed. I myself no longer work for making a living on the day of the Sabbath. I don't pray and read the Bible all day, but I can have more time this day doing that than I would on days I would work for making a living. I do not cook anything for my food then either. I had work before that would have kept me from that if I was seeking it then. I don't blame those who work for not having that opportunity. They should not give up the job for it when it would be so hard to find work that is not yet worse. It is on employers if they do not listen to employees who speak that it is important to them to rest for the Sabbath and accommodate them.

Bob S said:
Much more time? I really do not understand that. Do you think we have to put aside everything in life in order to commune. Does it take 24 hours to commune? If we engage another person in conversation about some secular subject on the Sabbath day are we sinning? I happen to have a 40 year background as a member of the SDA church And I cannot say that I ever went the day without secular interference, most often consuming most of my waking hours. I would like to know even one SDA that could truthfully tell me that they do not engage in secular thoughts or conversation. So much for 24 hours of communion with God. Need I say more on the subject?

My thoughts are that the accounts of the two covenants were/are for Israel and Judah. The covenants didn't include Gentiles.

SDAs include the ritual weekly Sabbath and the other ritual Sabbaths commands are deemed to be nailed to the ✝. The ten commands do not include the greatest commands God gave Israel, love for God and love for their fellow man.

You bark up the wrong tree there. I never expressed that I am with SDA, and I am not. I just expressed that it is good to rest for the Sabbath.

Jesus Christ said Sabbath was made for man. And it is holy.

Of course other things are done, but not really working. There is just more opportunity to come to God in devotion.

Yekcidmij said:
I don't think I agree on what even counts as the 10 commandments. The list in Ex 20//Deut 5 is well known, but lesser known is the list in Ex 34

"Ex 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."

I think this list of 10 commandments is ignored because its commands aren't followed. I think there is a tendency for those fixed on following the 10 commandments to cherry pick which list of 10 commandments they prefer. They insist there is a list of 10 commandments that take priority over other commands, but there is a list the bible itself explicitly calls "ten commandments" which is ignored. So I'm not clear on why one list of 10 commandments is selected over another.

It is not a matter of either or. All of that is important, none excluding the others.

Bob S said:
As I have written many times the ten didn't even include the greatest command of all commands, LOVE. Is it any wonder they were only temporary commands to guide a nation that just came out of 400 years of bondage.

The commandments for love, of God and of others, is in the old covenant. And they are the most important, and Jesus Christ claimed that, and Jesus Christ observed the commandments without disobeying or going contrary to them. Those commandments Yahweh wrote on stone are important in love for God and love for others.

Bob S · Dec 13, 2021

Hi Fred, if you will study the 10 commands, given only to Israel, you will find that they all were about duty. Israelites could do them out of their love to God and their fellow man. The reality is that God's commands to love are found in the oral commands written by Moses in Deuteronomy and Leviticus. All those laws were only for one nation, Israel. Christians are under the new covenant laws which include foremost our love for Jesus and our fellow man. Jesus covenant to us does not have a bunch of rituals to follow. Israel's covenant promised the land of Canaan, Jesus covenant to all mankind promises eternal life with Him.

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