Or rather, what the Jews are doing in regards to Palestine. Let me be clear, I'm not anti-semitic, nor do I wish to stir up controversy. Rather, I would just like to get everyone's opinion on what is going on over there. I know that the Jews are God's chosen people, however, it's not like they're free of guilt. There are plenty of times when the Jews made mistakes and angered God. The point is, I'm appalled by what Israel is doing, but am I being foolish? As Christians, is it necessary that we support Israel?
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How should we feel about Israel?
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Keep in mind that the so-called Palestinians are squatters on the land, and just a growing group of Arabs from all over. They have no special right to come in and oppose the nation of Israel. Israel has tolerated them, but they want to push Israel out of existence by their own confessions. Israel will stand firm, as any sovereign nation would, and the inhabitants, if not citizens, should be in subjection to the government, as God expects of us all.
The church universal is saddened by Israel's rejection of their Messiah, the Lord Jesus, but that is between them and God. Our position as believers in the Christ is to honor them as a people of God. That is God's expectation of His people everywhere, for God will restore them in the future as His covenanted people from Abraham.
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The church universal is saddened by Israel's rejection of their Messiah, the Lord Jesus, but that is between them and God. Our position as believers in the Christ is to honor them as a people of God. That is God's expectation of His people everywhere, for God will restore them in the future as His covenanted people from Abraham.
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Grace be upon you,
I don't take either side in this situation. There is no way, that I agree with what Jewish leaders are doing to the Palestinian people though. Nor, do I agree with Palestinian fighters.
Jewish leaders have failed to take heed to the teachings of our LORD in the past and today in the present. Hence, when Elaha allowed the Babylonian's to conquer them and result in the great disposition. But, it was also prophecised that they will return to their chosen land. They have a right to exist. But, that doesn't mean they are allowed to ruin and kill Palestinian peoples lives.
Now, Palestinian's know that they aren't native to this land. They moved in after the Jewish people were conquered, from a mix of Babylonian's and Arab's. I don't agree with their terrorist attacks on Israel, if they really wanted to support their own people, they would spend their money on supplies for their people, not weapons.
Don't be blinded by either side, for they are no better than each other.
Both Israel and Palestine are blind to the teachings of our Mashiah Yeshua. They are brought to hate each other as children, which is very sad. I feel very sorry for the innocent people whose lives get ruined during this conflict.
That is my opinion, I don't take either side.
Take care
I don't take either side in this situation. There is no way, that I agree with what Jewish leaders are doing to the Palestinian people though. Nor, do I agree with Palestinian fighters.
Jewish leaders have failed to take heed to the teachings of our LORD in the past and today in the present. Hence, when Elaha allowed the Babylonian's to conquer them and result in the great disposition. But, it was also prophecised that they will return to their chosen land. They have a right to exist. But, that doesn't mean they are allowed to ruin and kill Palestinian peoples lives.
Now, Palestinian's know that they aren't native to this land. They moved in after the Jewish people were conquered, from a mix of Babylonian's and Arab's. I don't agree with their terrorist attacks on Israel, if they really wanted to support their own people, they would spend their money on supplies for their people, not weapons.
Don't be blinded by either side, for they are no better than each other.
Both Israel and Palestine are blind to the teachings of our Mashiah Yeshua. They are brought to hate each other as children, which is very sad. I feel very sorry for the innocent people whose lives get ruined during this conflict.
That is my opinion, I don't take either side.
Take care
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It's probably best not to take either side. It's just that I find myself infuriated whenever I see how Israel is acting toward so many innocent people, squatters or not. I know that God has been infuriated too with Israel plenty of times.
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The violence of the oppressed cannot be compared with the violence of the oppressor (the former is but a reaction of desperate people), so Palestinians deserve sympathy. As to how Christians should feel about Israel. . . well, unfortunately, most of them are naive. I saw a documentary where some Christians from the USA went to Israel to 'serve' the Israelis, and some of them were even willing to join the IDF ... even though they were treated like c**p by the Israelis. Need I say more?
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Israel is just a country. The Jews aren't God's "chosen people". That role belongs to the Church now. There is no need to support a regime that outrages all civilized men so frequently.
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You have a misunderstanding of Scripture. The Bible clearly shows they are God's chosen people by covenant forever, and will be God's earthly people to possess the earth and rule over Gentiles by promise. One ought to read O.T. prophecy and understand the book of Revelation.
The fact that they still have not repented to God and bowed to His Son, their Messiah, is between them and God, as I said earlier. They may be mismanaging affairs there (which is debatable), but as a people of God they have the right to be there, and to govern the land as a nation. Christian nations must aid and help preserve them or will answer to our Creator God.
One can see that almost every month at least there are mortars fired upon Israel towns by the Arabs in the Palestinian area. Israel fires back with greater firepower, but does not initiate attacks on them. The Arabs there want to destroy Israel as a nation, so they are asking for trouble. They are allowed in the country, and some Arabs live peaceably in towns of Israel, but the Palestinian government is hostile.
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No, its pretty clear in Scripture that the chosen people are no longer racial, but the Church. The country of Israel has no right to what they are doing.
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Student, you make assertions against Israel that are not founded by Scripture. I presented what the Bible teaches about God's covenant which He will honor. Any elementary Bible student knows that. The church is the bride of Christ in this age and is a heavenly people as the Scripture shows, and separate from the earthly people Israel which will in truth govern the earth during and after the Millenium.
All I said was that though God is disciplining Israel, as Scripture shows, they remain His covenant people on earth. Those who fight against Israel will answer to God. The church must aid that people to honor our God. One might not like some of what Israel is doing in the land today, but it was given to them, and only God can judge them. They will repent and worship God again when the Lord Jesus returns.
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All I said was that though God is disciplining Israel, as Scripture shows, they remain His covenant people on earth. Those who fight against Israel will answer to God. The church must aid that people to honor our God. One might not like some of what Israel is doing in the land today, but it was given to them, and only God can judge them. They will repent and worship God again when the Lord Jesus returns.
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There is so much racism and ignorance behind the claim that the Palestinians are trespassers. Even if every claim by the Israel propaganda squad is true (it's not), it's irrelevant. Where you're born is where you're native to. This is the civilized standard that every Christian should live up to. To insist on kicking people off the land who have lived there for many generations, all because of their race, is pure evil.
I do not believe that Israel has any moral or biblical right to exist. But, I would never advocate that the so-called Jews born in this so-called Israel be kicked out, even when the glorious day comes and the Apartheid Zionist regime is no more.
I do not believe that Israel has any moral or biblical right to exist. But, I would never advocate that the so-called Jews born in this so-called Israel be kicked out, even when the glorious day comes and the Apartheid Zionist regime is no more.
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Dude, no. If they repent and worship God, they will be part of His people, the Church. Until then, they're just another ethnic group.
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Incariol, you obviously don't know your Bible, by what you say. I can show the truth of what I shared if you should like to understand this picture better.
Israel is certainly not part of the church like you say, as most Sunday School kids can tell you. The church is the bride of Christ, and Israelites can come to Christ and be part of the church today, but their religion is done away (fulfilled in Christ). They will be restored as an earthly people when the Lord returns to reign and they repent and receive Him.
I suggest you study this out, rather than listen to some misinformed Preacher. Look up, friend!
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Israel is certainly not part of the church like you say, as most Sunday School kids can tell you. The church is the bride of Christ, and Israelites can come to Christ and be part of the church today, but their religion is done away (fulfilled in Christ). They will be restored as an earthly people when the Lord returns to reign and they repent and receive Him.
I suggest you study this out, rather than listen to some misinformed Preacher. Look up, friend!
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Israel were not a country ..
there is no history in the same place for them ..
Israel has no right to take any inch of Palestine ..
Europe wanted to put the Jews far away from them;
that is why Balfour chose Palestine for the Jews ..
there is no history in the same place for them ..
Israel has no right to take any inch of Palestine ..
Europe wanted to put the Jews far away from them;
that is why Balfour chose Palestine for the Jews ..
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I see that nobody here has stated their age. It may be, that none of you is familiar with the origins of the modern State of Israel, nor of the repeated attempts by its Arab neighbors to push all the Jews into the sea. There was no "Palestinian people" until the PLO charter was enacted in 1964 by Yassir Arafat, an agent of Egyptian Intelligence. Before that time, references to "Palestinians" were all to the Jews living there. The Arabs in the land are simply Arabs, not a separate ethnic group; and they well know it. Until the Jews began to arrive in large numbers, drain the swamps and irrigate the land, the place was nearly deserted save for some wandering Bedouins and multi-ethnic cities. Jews have been a plurality in Jerusalem for hundreds of years.
The Jews were expelled from their land by the Romans, who were true "occupiers". Since that time, many other imperialist powers have overrun the land: The Greeks, the Arabs, the Turks and others. Finally, the British were given authority by the League of Nations to explicitly create a Jewish Homeland in the land. This mandate was continued under UN auspices after WWII, until the British abdicated their responsibilities in 1948.
The Arabs, who had staged several massacres of Jews under the British, began to attack in large numbers as the UK troops debarked. In the meantime, the US imposed an arms embargo, forbidding the arming of the Jews. The neighboring Arab states were under no such restriction; the Jordanian army, in fact, was led by British officers. The Jews, meanwhile, smuggled in arms from the Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia, mostly mis-matched small arms.
When the British left, all the Arab neighbors attacked in force, by land, sea and air: Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq formed the largest contingents. A series of cease-fires were declared, with no regognized demarcation of borders. Finally, in 1967, Israel defeated all the Arab forces and occupied land from the Suez Canal to the Golan Heights. Under UN Resolution 242, they retuned the Sinai to Egypt (under the condition that the area remain demilitarized); and they made a final border settlement with Jordan, making official the reality that the eastern frontier lie along the Jordan River, the Dead Sea and the Arabah. The northern frontiers continue to be UN-recognized cease-fire lines.
After the first Arab attack on Israel was unleased, Jews were driven from Arab countries by the hundreds of thousands. Most of these went to Israel, where they became the plurality. In effect, there has been a people exchange: Jews fleeing Arab lands, and Arabs fleeing Israel. The numbers on both sides were roughly equal. This is very similar to the exchanges that happened between the Turks and Greeks after WWI, between the Russians, Germans and Poles after WWII and between India, Pakistan and Bangladesh after independence from the British. Of all such exchanges, only the exchange involving Israel remains a subject of intense international attention. There is no rational reason for this.
The Jews were expelled from their land by the Romans, who were true "occupiers". Since that time, many other imperialist powers have overrun the land: The Greeks, the Arabs, the Turks and others. Finally, the British were given authority by the League of Nations to explicitly create a Jewish Homeland in the land. This mandate was continued under UN auspices after WWII, until the British abdicated their responsibilities in 1948.
The Arabs, who had staged several massacres of Jews under the British, began to attack in large numbers as the UK troops debarked. In the meantime, the US imposed an arms embargo, forbidding the arming of the Jews. The neighboring Arab states were under no such restriction; the Jordanian army, in fact, was led by British officers. The Jews, meanwhile, smuggled in arms from the Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia, mostly mis-matched small arms.
When the British left, all the Arab neighbors attacked in force, by land, sea and air: Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq formed the largest contingents. A series of cease-fires were declared, with no regognized demarcation of borders. Finally, in 1967, Israel defeated all the Arab forces and occupied land from the Suez Canal to the Golan Heights. Under UN Resolution 242, they retuned the Sinai to Egypt (under the condition that the area remain demilitarized); and they made a final border settlement with Jordan, making official the reality that the eastern frontier lie along the Jordan River, the Dead Sea and the Arabah. The northern frontiers continue to be UN-recognized cease-fire lines.
After the first Arab attack on Israel was unleased, Jews were driven from Arab countries by the hundreds of thousands. Most of these went to Israel, where they became the plurality. In effect, there has been a people exchange: Jews fleeing Arab lands, and Arabs fleeing Israel. The numbers on both sides were roughly equal. This is very similar to the exchanges that happened between the Turks and Greeks after WWI, between the Russians, Germans and Poles after WWII and between India, Pakistan and Bangladesh after independence from the British. Of all such exchanges, only the exchange involving Israel remains a subject of intense international attention. There is no rational reason for this.
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Zeek
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This is an old thread...but I agree, by and large Israel is defending itself as best it can. Yes they have every right to be there. Yes G-d gave them the land forever. Yes we should support the nation of Israel.
Should we agree with everything they do?....No, Israelis are often their own most severe critics, but who agrees with everything our own countries are involved in...no one I would say.
Are Israel saved? No, but there has always been a remnant amongst them, and more Jewish people are recognising Jesus as Messiah in this generation that since the first few centuries.
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There is a lot of misconception when it comes to Palestinians in Israel. A lot of it is from the media. For those who claim that Palestine or Palestinians don't really exist or never have, please read your history books.
I am an American Christian living in Israel with my Palestinian husband. His family has been here for over 600 years. If that makes him a squater on this land, then what does that make every American who has family back to the Colonies?
If anyone ever wants to really know how Palestinians feel about their families being kicked off land that their grandfathers had farmed on, houses burned to the ground, ask one for yourself. The manority of Palestinians IN Israel are not looking to deny that Jews belong here, or Deny the state of Israel. They just want to be treated equally. They pay the same taxes as Jews, yet we don't get the same benefits. The towns are in major disrepair. The damage from the recent flooding has yet to be fixed, schools are so old and lack basic funding. I have experienced the discrimination myself.
As a Christian, I say, welcome, come to Israel. But why does it have to be at the stake of other human beings? It is a repeat of the European invasion of North America. If you want to believe the propaganda spewed on late night TV about how the Jews are under constant attack from a barrage of rocket fire, and cheer everytime a Muslim Child is killed in Gaza, may God have mercy on you. For we are ALL human beings. All capable of recieving Christ. We just have to actually BE Christian towards people in order to show people the TRUTH. Gods will is to bring the Jews back to Israel, but it's also Gods will to be compationate and to share the Good News. Not to be biggots and prayers of decimation.
I am an American Christian living in Israel with my Palestinian husband. His family has been here for over 600 years. If that makes him a squater on this land, then what does that make every American who has family back to the Colonies?
If anyone ever wants to really know how Palestinians feel about their families being kicked off land that their grandfathers had farmed on, houses burned to the ground, ask one for yourself. The manority of Palestinians IN Israel are not looking to deny that Jews belong here, or Deny the state of Israel. They just want to be treated equally. They pay the same taxes as Jews, yet we don't get the same benefits. The towns are in major disrepair. The damage from the recent flooding has yet to be fixed, schools are so old and lack basic funding. I have experienced the discrimination myself.
As a Christian, I say, welcome, come to Israel. But why does it have to be at the stake of other human beings? It is a repeat of the European invasion of North America. If you want to believe the propaganda spewed on late night TV about how the Jews are under constant attack from a barrage of rocket fire, and cheer everytime a Muslim Child is killed in Gaza, may God have mercy on you. For we are ALL human beings. All capable of recieving Christ. We just have to actually BE Christian towards people in order to show people the TRUTH. Gods will is to bring the Jews back to Israel, but it's also Gods will to be compationate and to share the Good News. Not to be biggots and prayers of decimation.
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The Jews are not God's chosen people in my view, and what they are doing is absolutely wicked, and something they will be called to account for before God one day, along with the Christians who blindly support their violent oppression and occupation of Palestinian territory.
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Zeek
Follower of Messiah, Israel advocate and Zionist
Then your views do not align with Scripture.
No one tries to say that everything Israel does is good.
There are many Christians who are blind...you got that right, some don't even know their Bible
Deuteronomy 14:2 For thou art an holy people
unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people
unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
Deut 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy
God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that
are upon the face of the earth.
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