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Spiritual problems are usually self-created, not sent via witches.Deliverance ministers and a lot of pastors would say the same as me, i don't say this alone, half the ministry of Jesus was dealing with spiritual problems.
Burning witches was an OT commandment from God.
Old Testament commands have been done away with in the NT.
God metes out the judgments now.
Yes, anyone can turn from sin and follow Jesus.
All of it, then. Two eye witnesses for every crime (non of that DNA or fingerprint stuff, or surveillance cameras or wiretaps). And if the eyewitnesses are wrong, they suffer the same punishment....
Actually, the Old Testament moral law still applies, and we look for the timeless principles in the various civil laws and such that Israel had, and see if there's a timeless principle to follow.
OK, so how'd they identify a witch, or determine that something a crime had been committed via witchcraft? "She turned me into a newt"?Actually, the Old Testament moral law still applies, and we look for the timeless principles in the various civil laws and such that Israel had, and see if there's a timeless principle to follow.
OK, so how'd they identify a witch, or determine that something a crime had been committed via witchcraft? "She turned me into a newt"?
"Our" community is our local Body of Christ congregation.No. Real witchcraft isn't like Barnes and Noble witches for goodness sakes.
Look at the Haitians with the voodoo witchcraft - that's witchcraft of a type the Bible would have been against.
I'm not sure how much actual witchcraft stuff still exists anywhere, but it's going to be more prevalent in pagan countries these days, and even then probably not as open or at least obvious to a casual observer.
What is the timeless principles we can learn from the Scriptures about the punishment for witchcraft?
I would think today it's just don't live with them. Literally.
We are to keep separate from the world, and God teaches us that witchcraft is something specific we can't allow into our communities.
It's not something that will simply pop up in a community organically though without specifically inviting it in, in Bible times they were surrounded by pagans that practiced all kinds of craziness and so there was actual exposure.
"Our" community is our local Body of Christ congregation.
Caring for their physical needs does not include becoming law enforcement, not even of the Mosaic Law.Our fellow Christians are our local community...
Today we care for our neighbors as well, whether they are in our local church body or not as Christians.
My husband believes his watch is only this mountain, and he's quite adamant about that.. that's the boundaries drawn between him and God and he's said nothing outside of "it's this" lol .
But I do go farther afield, I kinda feel like it's the country as whole that's our watch... We should care for the physical needs of those close in if there's need and that's a specific, but I think when all is done we should care just as much farther afield of home.
Caring for their physical needs does not include becoming law enforcement, not even of the Mosaic Law.
I agree. I can't think of anywhere in the New Testament where Christians are told to inflict punishment on anybody, except in the matter of church discipline, but that can only be used against people who are members of that particular local church. The idea that Christians should punish witches (or adulterers, or liars, or anybody else) is just not biblical.Caring for their physical needs does not include becoming law enforcement, not even of the Mosaic Law.
So, what is this thread about?No one is "law enforcement" but the cops.
What on earth are you talking about?
Do you all impose religious laws on each other at your church?
We are nosey and occasionally judgemental out here... That's it. Law (pretty much of any kind) is self imposed. But it's only enforced by the actual cops.
The church goers of all these churches out here (as opposed to the people who don't go) generally try to be the best version of Christian they can, everyone helps each other. We know who is having problems in the community and everyone chips in and does their part for each other. That's just the way life is.
I just don't think it stops locally.
I didn't know any Christians enforced laws on each other.
So, what is this thread about?
Religion.
Don't you think one can self impose not living in communities involved in witchcraft?
Everything about our faith (mine at least if you all are doing weird stuff in your church) is about us followng Christ to the best of our ability.
We do so in a very self imposed manner. This isn't Islam.
How should Christians punish witchcraft?
I guess we have a totally different interpretation of what this thread is about. "Self-imposition" as you're talking about it would, IMO, be "punishing" oneself for someone else's actions.
Right now in the United States unless someone practicing witchcraft is breaking laws, they will remain unpunished.
Long ago back in western society they were given the death penalty or tortured, in eastern society they were given fines.
Could a witch repent and become a Christian is my other question.
Deliverance ministers and a lot of pastors would say the same as me, i don't say this alone, half the ministry of Jesus was dealing with spiritual problems.
Maybe don't believe in "ministries" and "pastors" who dabble in occult and pagan superstition, and instead rely on biblically faithful and ardently Christian ministries that are dedicated to the word of truth.
The various "deliverance" stuff I have tended to see is basically just occultism and paganism doing Christian cosplay.
-CryptoLutheran
So you would say Jesus and the disciples dabbled in occult, Jesus commanded believers to deal with spiritual issues, i'm out of here, deliverance is more needed today than in the day of Jesus, because wickedness would increase and that makes thing worse.
Jesus and the apostles did not dabble in the occult. They did real work, even as the Church has continued to do, in the work of fighting against the spiritual powers and principalities of this fallen age.
But they knew that demons were defeated enemies, subject to Jesus Christ who is Lord and Victor over all powers and principalities. And they refused to entertain pagan superstitions.
"The devil appeared to a very humble monk as an angel of light and told him, in order to pull him down into arrogance: 'I am Gabriel and I came to salute you, for you have many virtues and are worthy.'
'Look, you must have made a mistake," the humble monk answered, without losing his composure. "I am still living in sin, and for this reason I am not worthy to see angels.'" - The Ancient Fathers of the Desert, translated by the V. Rev. Chrysostomos
"'Why does the devil battle monks so passionately?' the brothers asked a spiritual elder. 'How does he have such effrontery?'
'If the monks knew immediately how to raise defensive weapons - humility, poverty, and patience - the devil would never dare to approach them,' the elder replied." - ibid.
-CryptoLutheran
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