How should a "Christian" deal with "heretics"?

DogmaHunter · Dec 7, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
Faith and belief in God existed way before science.

So did belief in Thor and Apollo. Who cares?
It seems extremely irrelevant.

And you only logically know what you say you know because science has progressed to this point

That goes for all knowledge. You only know that which you know. You don't know the things you don't know (yet).

and God uses science as part of His plan

Religious claim; not in evidence

God created all these things

Religious claim; not in evidence

Science created nothing

Irrelevant and nonsensical. Nobody is claiming otherwise.
Science

It is mankind’s way of rationalizing what they have no idea of.

No... that would be faith.
Science is man's best attempt at finding out how the world actually works.

Now that is not rational

Science....isn't rational????

A half baked understanding that can only explain what previously existed.

I disagree with this description, off course. But I'll run with it. It doesn't matter how "incomplete" the knowledge coming from science is or isn't. Because either way, it is the best we can do.

I know of no other method with at least the same trackrecord of getting demonstrably accurate answers to questions about the world.

If you have one, please share. But we both know that you have no better method.

Science doesn’t explain where anything began

Wrong.

So you still only have theories of the most important part.

ow my.......... not that nonsensical argument.

"just" theories. Uhu.

Please learn what "theory" means in scientific context.

ToBeLoved · Dec 7, 2018

DogmaHunter said:
That goes for all knowledge. You only know that which you know. You don't know the things you don't know (yet).

Science is man's best attempt at finding out how the world

Well someone seeking rational answers such as me, doesn’t think

“Science s best attempt” with no answers to how life or the universe began is rational.

ToBeLoved · Dec 7, 2018

DogmaHunter said:
So did belief in Thor and Apollo. Who cares?

And the same rational human beings created statues and called them the gods of fertility, wealth, health and happiness.

I see the line of rational thinking you came from

DogmaHunter · Dec 7, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
Well someone seeking rational answers such as me, doesn’t think

“Science s best attempt” with no answers to how life or the universe began is rational.

No answers yet.

Acknowledging ignorance when you don't know.... IS rational.

Appealing to that ignorance to then say "god dun it", is the very opposite of rational. It is fallacious.

"rational" - you don't seem to comprehend what that word actually means.

DogmaHunter · Dec 7, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
And the same rational human beings created statues and called them the gods of fertility, wealth, health and happiness.

I see the line of rational thinking you came from

Huh?

I have no idea what your point is here.
Or what your original point was by saying that "Faith and belief in God existed way before science.", for that matter.

None of this seems relevant to the validity of science.

Par5 · Dec 7, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
Well someone seeking rational answers such as me, doesn’t think

“Science s best attempt” with no answers to how life or the universe began is rational.

Well, it sure beats the hell out of goddidit!

ToBeLoved · Dec 7, 2018

DogmaHunter said:
No answers yet.

Acknowledging ignorance when you don't know.... IS rational.

Appealing to that ignorance to then say "god dun it", is the very opposite of rational. It is fallacious.

"rational" - you don't seem to comprehend what that word actually means.

Well I see that obviously only your opinion is rartiinal. Our conversation is going down hill.

I know your views. You know my views.

I do t see anything new added, so I think it’s best not to continue. We shouldn’t waste each other’s time. There needs to be some foundation to build on and we have none.

Have a great weekend.

ToBeLoved · Dec 7, 2018

Par5 said:
Well, it sure beats the hell out of goddidit!

No answers seem to be your best answer.

Ok.

DogmaHunter · Dec 7, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
Well I see that obviously only your opinion is rartiinal

How many times must I explain that what is rational and what isn't, is NOT a matter of "opinion"?

Our conversation is going down hill.

That implies it was ever uphill. Disagree.

I do t see anything new added, so I think it’s best not to continue. We shouldn’t waste each other’s time. There needs to be some foundation to build on and we have none.

That's because your view is based on a false understanding of what the word "rational" means. You seem to think it's some kind of subjective thing. It isn't.

DogmaHunter · Dec 7, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
No answers seem to be your best answer.

When something is unknown, then saying you don't know is INFINITLY better then just inventing something instead. Acknowledging ignorance when ignorance reigns is the ONLY rational and honest thing to be said.

Anything else is just meaningless, fallacious appeals to ignorance, arguments from incredulity, not based in evidence, appeal to emotion, failure to understand the null-hypothesis or what-have-you. Whatever it is, it will never be a valid rational conclusion. Because there is none available by definition (yet).

ToBeLoved · Dec 7, 2018

DogmaHunter said:
When something is unknown, then saying you don't know is INFINITLY better then just inventing something instead. Acknowledging ignorance when ignorance reigns is the ONLY rational and honest thing to be said.

Anything else is just meaningless, fallacious appeals to ignorance, arguments from incredulity, not based in evidence, appeal to emotion, failure to understand the null-hypothesis or what-have-you. Whatever it is, it will never be a valid rational conclusion. Because there is none available by definition (yet).

You have a great weekend and Christmas.

Our conversation is over. Repeating the same words over and over doesn’t change my answers.

DogmaHunter · Dec 7, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
You have a great weekend and Christmas.

Happy winter solstice to you too.

Our conversation is over.

Cool. But you don't get to dictate when I can and can not post.

Repeating the same words over and over doesn’t change my answers.

Indeed it doesn't. But it does correct them. ;-)

Hazelelponi · Dec 8, 2018

Freodin said:
But you can read the english language?

This is a thread on Christian Forums. It's not as if I want to send you to some phishing platform, or a porn site.

Why is is so difficult for a Christian, any Christian here, to go to this thread you mentioned, read the relevant posts and add your educated theological opinion to this topic?

Ha..

You want people to intentionally go to the evolution etc. forum?

I mean like, intentionally?

I went once.. if people want to be in that forum let them be - there is something about not making fun of people or not pointing out insanity.. being nice to others.. I don't know, but its in those forum rules.

The Bible says something about not giving into temptation or needing to cut off body parts or something if it helps to avoid such a travesty..

So.. I stay out of the evolution etc. Forum

If you went in there and found a nutter that's your own choice.. not mine. And I'm not responsible for you - only me.

When you go ahuntin' nutters don't be shocked if you find one.

Moral Orel · Dec 8, 2018

DogmaHunter said:
People have been "praying for me" for years now.
Nothing seems to be happening.

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