How real is something if it can be stopped from being real simply by changing your mind? how powerful are creationists?
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How powerful are creationists?
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Just one will do.
Only a belief without evidence can be destroyed simply by a change of mind.
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what about such things as the placebo effect?
the human mind is apparently a lot more powerful than we once thought.
looking at this with an open mind, does this mean there can actually be a god if we will it?
interesting little conundrum wouldn't you say?
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No I wouldn't say....
A placebo is in effect mind over matter, auto suggestion, what has that got to with something being real?
the placebo effect doesn't come into play if the patient doesn't know they have been treated, just as voodoo doesn't
work if the person is not told they have been cursed, what the mind doesn't know the heart doesn't grieve over.
if your back hurts and you take a sugar pill instead of an Aspirin and the pain goes away the change is not physical it's mental.
Gods are obviously only in the mind because simply by changing your mind the god goes away,
it seems strange that all that certainty of something being so real can be undone just by simply changing your mind?
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i'm not to sure of the mechanism of the placebo effect, only what i've read in medial liturature.
it just seems strange to me that a drug specifically formulated to stop pain is administered to a patient while a placebo is administered to a control group, some in that controll group will get well, and they were not treated.
epigenetics says at least some of these effects can last for generations.
it doesn't take much on my part to say humanity definitely has the power to alter what they are.
the question here is, is this a manifestation of god, or is it a manifestation of something else.
i consider it an intriguing question worthy of study.
it just seems strange to me that a drug specifically formulated to stop pain is administered to a patient while a placebo is administered to a control group, some in that controll group will get well, and they were not treated.
epigenetics says at least some of these effects can last for generations.
it doesn't take much on my part to say humanity definitely has the power to alter what they are.
the question here is, is this a manifestation of god, or is it a manifestation of something else.
i consider it an intriguing question worthy of study.
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In every case where placebo's are used and are effective the patient thinks they are being given medication,
if the patient is not given anything then nothing changes.
So the question remains:
How real is something if it can be stopped from being real simply by changing your mind? how powerful are creationists?
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If you believe something is real and later change your mind, you just may get a reality check from your first impulse.
Moreover, if you refuse to believe something that is real, no matter how strong the evidence is against it, you set yourself up for a reality check.
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The question you should ask is: Why would any one want to be a creationist? The answer to this question would also be the answer to your question.
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Would your god disappear for you if you stopped believing in him? Yes or No? the answer is Yes but you're searching for a way to say No, all gods disappear when there are no believers left.
Gods are like languages, if no one uses them anymore they die out and are forgotten.
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So now that I made a point about reality checks, your true intent surfaces?
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Keep telling yourself that.
I do know that you can not reason someone out of something they were not reasoned into.
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the God doesn't go away .
the Worship of the God goes away.
the faithfulness to that God goes away .
the loyalty to that God goes away.
the belief in that God goes away.
the then union with that God goes away.
and thus
the obligations of that God to that man goes away.
because the rights for God to deal in that man have gone away.
so the promises to the unfaithful one / unmarried / adulterous one also goes away.
so by changing his mind he changes his world and Now only he is a god where he is .
but he is not where God is.
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you see belief and forgiveness from God is like clean glass of water that you are given when you become saved and you can see everything clearly for while .
now every time you sin unto death, by either lack of love and belief or usurping others to get what you want .. you lay a big turd in your glass of clean water.
now when you go to clean yourself or get you thirsty well you have to deal with the turd / turds in your glass or all you see is turds .
Some people stop wanting to deal with the turds they created in their own life.
so they go about with their lives pretending the turds don't exists.
they make up their own ideas of history , or whatever so as to not deal with their own turds.
of course they die without water.
because you won't see God or life until you deal with him about all your turds your created in your big glass of water. but your world can get very small when you are swimming in a glass that is full of turds.
so how powerful is a belief (I think is what you are asking)
it is all powerful one turd at a time that separated us from life around us .
bye!
now every time you sin unto death, by either lack of love and belief or usurping others to get what you want .. you lay a big turd in your glass of clean water.
now when you go to clean yourself or get you thirsty well you have to deal with the turd / turds in your glass or all you see is turds .
Some people stop wanting to deal with the turds they created in their own life.
so they go about with their lives pretending the turds don't exists.
they make up their own ideas of history , or whatever so as to not deal with their own turds.
of course they die without water.
because you won't see God or life until you deal with him about all your turds your created in your big glass of water. but your world can get very small when you are swimming in a glass that is full of turds.
so how powerful is a belief (I think is what you are asking)
it is all powerful one turd at a time that separated us from life around us .
bye!
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I was wondering where the God went when the belief in that god disappeared, I assume that Christians do not believe in Allah so for them Allah does not exist, [along with the 2000 or so other Gods] so does Allah exist or not? over a billion Muslims would say that he does so who am I to believe?
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Exactly, you don't reason when God reveals Himself to you. You learn to understand the world with a clear vision rather than the non-spiritual way you once did. Reason only makes sense if it is a product of intelligence rather than a product of a process of physical material devoid of any intelligence or reason. You have no reason to believe that what you believe is reasonable or truth as evolution doesn't care about reason or truth and a physical brain can only fire only in the way it can.
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This is a forum for Creationism vs. evolution topics. Maybe you should go into another forum for this type of discussion?
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