How open to compromise are you?

[Always in His Presence]

Our current political system is a train wreck coming from both sides.

Not that is is possible, but are you open to compromise.

I would be willing to (from politics) eliminate Trump Jordan and Gaets if my Democrat friends would be willing to eliminate Biden, Nadler and Schiff.

These six are the biggest source of hatred and division.

This will never happen, but I thought it was an interesting hypothetical

 

[WolfGate]

I’ll take that trade.

Of course I don’t affiliate with either party so I guess for me that is just an easy thing to agree with.

 

[comana]

Honestly I’d fire them all and start over.

 

[Fantine]

Instead I'd be willing to.get rid of Manchin and Sinema.

 

[comana]

Would accomplish nothing even if it were possible. There is a fundamental, near 50-50 division in this country of two irreconcilable worldviews. We are in a civil war without guns (yet). On most of the hot-button issues, there is no compromise position. I'm glad I'm as old as I am, because the coming years won't be pretty. The six you mention are figureheads of hatred and division that is deep and wide.

That is the result of a two party system. It creates the illusion of a near 50 50 split amongst the population but in reality voters in each party have quite varied visions for our country and would preferably vote third party if that was a valid option. Until we can amend how our elections choose winners, we can’t reasonably expect change via third party votes in Congress.

 

[Pommer]

Our current political system is a train wreck coming from both sides.

Not that is is possible, but are you open to compromise.

I would be willing to (from politics) eliminate Trump Jordan and Gaets if my Democrat friends would be willing to eliminate Biden, Nadler and Schiff.

These six are the biggest source of hatred and division.

This will never happen, but I thought it was an interesting hypothetical

Let us revisit the Congressional Reapportionment Act of 1929 that permanently set the number of Representatives in the House at 435, when our population was 133,000,000?

Herding 1800 votes for this or that act would require real politicking and statesmanship; it would also open the field to new parties instead of this “my team good/your team bad” politics of the last 40 years.

 

[PloverWing]

Not that is is possible, but are you open to compromise.

I would be willing to (from politics) eliminate Trump Jordan and Gaets if my Democrat friends would be willing to eliminate Biden, Nadler and Schiff.

Politics is very much about compromise, so, yes, I'm very much open to compromise, and I wish our legislatures did more of it.

Never mind Jordan and Schiff and whoever. Policy-making is the place to work out compromise. I'll offer that I'd be willing to consider school vouchers, if in turn the conservatives were willing to substantially increase funding to the public schools. Or, if the conservatives were willing to implement a US version of the National Health System, I'd be willing to figure out a way for conservative Christians to opt out so that they wouldn't have to participate in health care they disapprove of. That kind of thing: policy compromises where everybody gets some, but not all, of what they wanted.

 

[Yttrium]

I'm a centrist. I insist on compromise. And I will not compromise on this!
Wait... well...

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Our current political system is a train wreck coming from both sides.

Not that is is possible, but are you open to compromise.

I would be willing to (from politics) eliminate Trump Jordan and Gaets if my Democrat friends would be willing to eliminate Biden, Nadler and Schiff.

These six are the biggest source of hatred and division.

This will never happen, but I thought it was an interesting hypothetical

How is Biden, Nadler and Schiff a big source of hatred and division?

 

[mark46]

Instead I'd be willing to.get rid of Manchin and Sinema.

You'll have you wish. Liberals will hand the WV senate seat to the Republicans.

If Manchin cared about what the Democratic left said, he would change parties. The left would have been happy, They would have WON. Of course, the republicans would have had control of the Seante and almost nothing would have been passed.

For the left, it is much more important to win their point than to actually pass legislation.

 

[mark46]

Instead I'd be willing to.get rid of Manchin and Sinema.

So you all would give back ALL the Biden successes just to have your wish of a representative senator in West Virginia (Republican is a state that was the most Trump state in the nation).

I acknowledge all that we owe Manchin.

 

[Occams Barber]

Our current political system is a train wreck coming from both sides.

Not that is is possible, but are you open to compromise.

I would be willing to (from politics) eliminate Trump Jordan and Gaets if my Democrat friends would be willing to eliminate Biden, Nadler and Schiff.

These six are the biggest source of hatred and division.

This will never happen, but I thought it was an interesting hypothetical

Be careful what you wish for.

There are two types of compromise:

"Half a loaf is better than none" - where both (or more) parties get something in return for conceding a part of their claim. We automatically assume this definition of compromise when this may not be the case

"Cut the baby in half" - The infamous Solomon solution where the objective of the compromise is destroyed by the act of compromise

It's not uncommon for unscrupulous dealers to claim the moral high ground by insisting that they are willing to compromise knowing that what they are actually offering is half a baby.

The other way to misuse compromise is to start from an extreme position (like extreme left or right) in order to pull the centrist, compromise position to one side with the result that the compromise is biased towards that side. In any compromise defining your starting position is key.

OB

 

[Fantine]

So you all would give back ALL the Biden successes just to have your wish of a representative senator in West Virginia (Republican is a state that was the most Trump state in the nation).

I acknowledge all that we owe Manchin.

Given the tumultuous conditions in the Republican Party, with candidates too worried to cross the indicted candidate--despite the mountains of evidence against him--i'm willing to risk W. Virginia.
Yesterday's Supreme Court decision will beat back gerrymandering in Alabama, and other similar lawsuits are pending.
I am not a Kavanaugh fan, but he may be an appropriate replacement to moderate Anthony Kennedy after all.

 

[KCfromNC]

How is Biden, Nadler and Schiff a big source of hatred and division?

By simply existing. Don't worry, as soon as they're gone, the next people who dare to oppose the GOP hardliners getting their way on everything will be the ones accused of causing division.

 

[mark46]

Yesterday's Supreme Court decision will beat back gerrymandering in Alabama, and other similar lawsuits are pending.
I am not a Kavanaugh fan, but he may be an appropriate replacement to moderate Anthony Kennedy after all.

All it takes is one decision for folks to respect the US Supreme Court.

Yes, this was a HUGE decision, probably more significant than the overthrow of Roe. The House is now likely to become and stay Democratic for years to come. And yes, Kavanaugh is turning out to be a much better choice than we expected.

Even Ginzburg disagreed with the Roe decision. Abortion is an issue for legislation, now by the states. However, there certainly could be federal legislation. The Democrats FAILED to pass such legislation when they had the power to do so (when they had signifcant majorities in the House and Senate).

 

[Fantine]

I don't think Democrats had a 60-person majority in the Senate since the very early Obama years, and Obama used all his political capital to get the Affordable Care Act passed.

I would feel more comfortable about the Supreme Court if Thomas did the only honorable thing he could do and resign. His acceptance of unbelievably lavish gifts from conservative activist Harlan Crow over many years, his failure to report those gifts, his wife's former position as a think-tank director who promised guests to her pricey soirees "access" to her husband and Scalia have compromised, even decimated his judicial impartiality.

His dissent on the Alabama gerrymandering issue was 50 pages of justification for race-based voter suppression.

How can you tell a gerrymandered state? When the representation in different legislative areas does not reflect the beliefs and political philosophies of the state's demographics. We see this in places like Michigan, Wisconsin, and even Arizona--where the winners of "statewide" races are often Democratic but the gerrymandered congressional and legislative districts skew Republican.

In an aside, I'd like to amend my earlier post. I'd trade off the Republicans for Manchin, Sinema, and RFK, Jr. Take RFK, Jr., please!

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

By simply existing. Don't worry, as soon as they're gone, the next people who dare to oppose the GOP hardliners getting their way on everything will be the ones accused of causing division.

That's what I thought.

 

[Blade]

Our current political system is a train wreck coming from both sides.

Not that is is possible, but are you open to compromise.

I would be willing to (from politics) eliminate Trump Jordan and Gaets if my Democrat friends would be willing to eliminate Biden, Nadler and Schiff.

These six are the biggest source of hatred and division.

This will never happen, but I thought it was an interesting hypothetical

That's it right there "be willing to". Reading post after post or hearing on the left wing news media talking about say people like Hillary and really questioning how in the world is she not being tried for her crimes.

But saying "eliminate" is wrong. Well who Reb/Dem don't lie mislead the public? If your for say some Reb then you over look the lies and what not but if its Dem that does the same things...oh man they need to be locked up Same for those that like Dems. Reading allot of posts by Dems about Nadler, Schiff? Trump did what? Ok sure look into that. Biden's did what? ...Hello you there? Hello?

 

[DaisyDay]

How is Biden, Nadler and Schiff a big source of hatred and division?

Because they are skilled legislators and effective politicians - they get in the way of the Freedom Caucus.

 

[DaisyDay]

For the left, it is much more important to win their point than to actually pass legislation.

Au contraire! The left got a lot of good bills passed in the two years. The right is more concerned with obstruction than with compromise, at least as far as the House goes.