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No chance that Adam wasn't literal history huh?
'Spose the parables were all real events too?
That is beside the point and pure speculation....otherwise all the guys promoting the Gap theory are just idiots, and I don't think they are idiots...re read my last post...I edited while you were apparently responding.
Every word of inspired scripture has a purpose. If God didn't want us to know how old the earth was he wouldn't have told us. But he did tell us and actually gave us great details about the work, yet we creatures still have to prove it to ourselves.
I hope you're not mad at me brother, but I actually do believe the earth is only 6000ish years old because that's what the bible says. I have a technical degree and am in a technical career as well. So I'm not uneducated. I have sat through the classes in support of the other side and even as a young man drifted into agnosticism in college. But in the end I saw it for what it was, as Paul told us.
Romans 1:18-22 ESV
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,
Much of modern "science" is no less a snare of the devil than internet pornography, consumerism, or false religions. In this time it's hard for even the elect to follow Christ.
Not meaning to nit pick. I just think this is one issue where we are being led astray by secularism that promotes godlessness and socialism in the end.
OH lordy my brother there is NO anger on my part towards you!
I enjoy our give and take.
I'm just of the opinion that the bible contains all Truth, and God does work in mysterious ways, but not when it comes to His word. If God wanted us to actually and literally know the age of our planet(and would want it to actually matter in the overall plan of His will) it would be in the scriptures crystal clear for a 10 year old to deduce. It's not the case.
Hi EM2. Perhaps you are you unfamiliar with the differences between historical narrative and parable?No chance that Adam wasn't literal history huh?
'Spose the parables were all real events too?
Two questions then:I appreciate your explanation.
However, I find it makes more sense to consider Genesis as a series of fables designed to teach literal heavenly truths. Sometimes they are a little blurred having been subject to oral tradition for generations before being recorded.
See? Its not that I don't "believe" Genesis, per ce, rather that I don't think it is literal history.
Is "parabolic" the correct adjective of parable? Just never heard it used that way before.Two questions then:
1. On what exegetically consistent basis do you support your assertion that the narrative texts of Genesis are in fact parabolic?
Exactly the same as His parables... he used examples and references that his audience would understand and were appropriate for a contemporary listener.2. Since Jesus made reference to various portions of the Genesis narrative as literal history [ex. Mt. 19:4-6], on what grounds do you reject its prophetic origin for the unverifiable oral traditions of which you speak?
Two questions then:
1. On what exegetically consistent basis do you support your assertion that the narrative texts of Genesis are in fact parabolic?
2. Since Jesus made reference to various portions of the Genesis narrative as literal history [ex. Mt. 19:4-6], on what grounds do you reject its prophetic origin for the unverifiable oral traditions of which you speak?
Steering back toward the OP, perhaps a relevant question at this point might be: How does one make a case for "millions of years" based on nothing but the text of Scripture? After all, sola scriptura demands that all our doctrines, including the doctrine of creation, be based exclusively on the text of Scripture.
Roman Catholics rarely read the bible and when they do read it their Church tells them it's ok not to believe it, so most of them don't.
Yes, "parabolic" is an acceptable adjective used commonly among theologians when referring to parables; its mathematical meaning does not apply in this context. It was not my intent to fog the question with unfamiliar terminology. You seem so certain in your assertions, I just assumed you had some background in the field.Is "parabolic" the correct adjective of parable? Just never heard it used that way before.
As a Catholic, I understand that you are unlikely to adhere to sola scriptura. However, even Catholic tradition generally recognizes Adam as a real, literal, historical person. So what "external evidence" are you referring to?Other than that, honestly, I don't really understand the question, but I THINK the appropriate answer is "external evidence"Exactly the same as His parables... he used examples and references that his audience would understand and were appropriate for a contemporary listener.
The Bible says the writers of the Old Testament, including Moses, were carried along by the Holy Spirit [2 Ptr. 1:21], and did not produce their work in accordance with their own wills.What do you mean "unverifiable traditions"? The stories in question predate writing, how would you imagine they were transmitted, if not orally?
I agree. This position is affirmed by Ryrie, White, Piper, Rendle, Blackman, and the vast bulk of evangelical creationists (including Rout). Though we cannot determine a precise date for creation, there is sufficient data in Scripture to provide a window somewhere between 6000 and 10,000 years old.The very first footnote in the Macarthur Study bible NKJV says that scripture does not support a creation date any later than 10,000 years ago. I guess there is a way to argue for 4000 more years. Most people tend to agree that the earth is around 6000 years old.
Most Creationists is NOT the same as "most PEOPLE".
There are a variety of theories held by various Christians.
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