How NOT to help the poor

ShannonMcCatholic · May 21, 2009

I think it's lame to villify hybrid cars...we just came from a place where gas was over $4 a gallon.

Some of the rest of it I agree with wholeheartedly--Bl. Mother Teresa wrote that there is an epidemic of the poorest of the poor in the West--those who feel unloved and unlovable.

Here's one quote I found from an interview:

I find the rich much poorer. Sometimes they are more lonely inside. They are never satisfied. They always need something more. I don't say all of them are like that. Everybody is not the same. I find that poverty hard to remove. The hunger for love is much more difficult to remove than the hunger for bread.

benedictaoo · May 21, 2009

ShannonMcCatholic said:
I think it's lame to villify hybrid cars...we just came from a place where gas was over $4 a gallon.

Some of the rest of it I agree with wholeheartedly--Bl. Mother Teresa wrote that there is an epidemic of the poorest of the poor in the West--those who feel unloved and unlovable.

Here's one quote I found from an interview:

Not to vilify the but they are dang experience to buy and they say-- we will never save what we will spend when we buy them.

benedictaoo · May 21, 2009

ShannonMcCatholic said:
Some of the rest of it I agree with wholeheartedly--Bl. Mother Teresa wrote that there is an epidemic of the poorest of the poor in the West--those who feel unloved and unlovable.

She said the poverty of the west is a spiritual poverty. That we are poor spiritually. and she says it's a poverty that a child must die so that we can live as we wish.

benedictaoo · May 21, 2009

AMDG said:
Ooo-ooo-ooo! Can I answer? If it's like the military, you have to first ask permission. If the answer comes back "yes", prepare for a battle that will take years and intimidation like you wouldn't believe.

But figuring that if we get national health care, all the doctors will be in the government's pocket so the whole thing becomes moot--no other doctor would dare give a second opinion (especially one that didn't agree with his employer--he knows "which side his bread is buttered" so the poor patient get's the "short end of the stick".)

Fema's getting sued for the broken levee satiation but the plaintiffs did have to ask permission.

and judge sided with the plaintiffs so they can sue.

ShannonMcCatholic · May 21, 2009

benedictaoo said:
Not to vilify the but they are dang experience to buy and they say-- we will never save what we will spend when we buy them.

We will if gas goes back up to $4 a gallon or higher. A Prius is around $22,000---which sickeningly isn't really out of step with car prices--it's right around the average price for a Honda Accord.

ShannonMcCatholic · May 21, 2009

benedictaoo said:
She said the poverty of the west is a spiritual poverty. That we are poor spiritually. and she says it's a poverty that a child must die so that we can live as we wish.

She just rocks my world. Tim was born just after she died, and she has been a patron of mine ever since.

benedictaoo · May 21, 2009

ShannonMcCatholic said:
We will if gas goes back up to $4 a gallon or higher. A Prius is around $22,000---which sickeningly isn't really out of step with car prices--it's right around the average price for a Honda Accord.

How are you going fit your kids in a Prius? How much are the hybrid SUV's? I'm not paying 22,000 for an economy car either. At least an Accord is a decent class.

ShannonMcCatholic · May 21, 2009

benedictaoo said:
How are you going fit your kids in a Prius? How much are the hybrid SUV's? I'm not paying 22,000 for an economy car either. At least an Accord is a decent class.

Oh we don't have one...lol! We have a bottom of the line mini van. I am not entirely sure how they'll all fit---but two of them are old enough to be totally out of car seats/boosters. I hate the stupid car seats laws for bigger kids now. I dunno- I've ridden in a couple Priuses---they're pretty freakin' nice!

I have no idea about SUV prices...that whole concept just seems kind of silly to me, unless you have a job where you HAVE to be able to get to work --like a doc or a an emergency worker or whatever and live where it snows or ices pretty regularly.

benedictaoo · May 21, 2009

ShannonMcCatholic said:
Oh we don't have one...lol! We have a bottom of the line mini van. I am not entirely sure how they'll all fit---but two of them are old enough to be totally out of car seats/boosters. I hate the stupid car seats laws for bigger kids now. I dunno- I've ridden in a couple Priuses---they're pretty freakin' nice!

I have no idea about SUV prices...that whole concept just seems kind of silly to me, unless you have a job where you HAVE to be able to get to work --like a doc or a an emergency worker or whatever and live where it snows or ices pretty regularly.

My sister in law has a prius. I think they're ugly FWIW. I have the SUV becuase my husband brought it home one day.

I have a love/hate relationship with it. But it came in handy for those hurricanes but then it tried to kill me one day when I fell into it to break my fall, instead it broke my nose.

But they fit 8 so we need it in case of another storm.

ShannonMcCatholic · May 21, 2009

benedictaoo said:
My sister in law has a prius. I think they're ugly FWIW. I have the SUV becuase my husband brought it home one day.

I have a love/hate relationship with it. But it came in handy for those hurricanes but then it tried to kill me one day when I fell into it to break my fall, instead it broke my nose.

But they fit 8 so we need it in case of another storm.

Yeah--I think we really need an 8 passenger Sienna or something...but we just absolutely cannot afford it. See-- I think living in a place that has hurricanes...that sounds like a reasonable reason to have an SUV. So many people just seem to have them for no real reason...

Veritas · May 21, 2009

benedictaoo said:
How are you going fit your kids in a Prius? How much are the hybrid SUV's? I'm not paying 22,000 for an economy car either. At least an Accord is a decent class.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

BTW, I decided to take your and D'Ann's advice. For those that will not learn, there is no hope.

But I think it's important to make one thing abundantly clear: conservatives outgive liberals in every measure regardless of income level. We actually think it's our responsibility to help others, not some nameless, faceless entitiy called government that confiscates money from those that earned it to redistribute it at 25 cents on the dollar to someone who didn't. I'd rather give my WHOLE dollar anyday to someone who truly needed it then have it taken away to have 75% of it end up in the hands of some worthless bureaucrat in DC.

benedictaoo · May 21, 2009

Suv's... they're convenient.

we are a ppl of pure convenience these days. I was talking to my other SIL and she doesn't ahve money for food but she has a cell phone bill for 200+ a month. She treats this as a necessity and a priority.

I'm like, you can't eat a cell phone. I know with teen kids on the lose it's good to have that piece of mind but like I told her, 10 years ago we didn't have them and we lived with out them just fine.

Now it's like I can't imagine life with out one.

ShannonMcCatholic · May 21, 2009

benedictaoo said:
Suv's... they're convenient.

we are a ppl of pure convenience these days. I was talking to my other SIL and she doesn't ahve money for food but she has a cell phone bill for 200+ a month. She treats this as a necessity and a priority.

I'm like, you can't eat a cell phone. I know with teen kids on the lose it's good to have that piece of mind but like I told her, 10 years ago we didn't have them and we lived with out them just fine.

Now it's like I can't imagine life with out one.

Blows my mind...I cannot imagine paying a cell phone bill. Eventually I think all phone service will be wireless, but until it's cheaper than a land line there's just no way I can plunk down that kind of money for the phone, which I hate in the first place. I can't imagine paying to watch TV, either.

And I gotta say, that with most programs, I am with Veritas on this...the government is just really bad at running programs overall. I am on the fence about healthcare--I tend towards thinking some sort of hybrid program is the way to go to ensuring everyone has access to the care they need---I'd start with making insurance companies operate as not-for profits. (Which I know many object to, but I believe that is an important first step, and how things work in some countries that do not have totally gov't run healthcare) Was it in this thread that somebody wrote that "You trust the government to run the military..."? But--I mean c'mon...trust hardly seems the right word there, and our defense spending is huge and inefficient....

faerieevaH · May 21, 2009

States once more that she comes from a country where health care is a mixture of government sponsored insurance, distributed through private NGO's, and private insurance and that it works very, very, very well!
Then again, I will admit, Belgium does not have a climate in which you can or think about sueing for everything. If a doctor is drunk and leaves a vodka bottle in your belly after an operation, THEN you can sue.

ShannonMcCatholic · May 21, 2009

faerieevaH said:
States once more that she comes from a country where health care is a mixture of government sponsored insurance, distributed through private NGO's, and private insurance and that it works very, very, very well!
Then again, I will admit, Belgium does not have a climate in which you can or think about sueing for everything. If a doctor is drunk and leaves a vodka bottle in your belly after an operation, THEN you can sue.

Are insurance companies there not-for-profit??

CreedIsChrist · May 21, 2009

I find this baloney. If government was the issue how do you explain places like Africa with barely any government authority and no sense of control. Same with Bangladesh and New Guinea and parts of the world where they are 500 years behind us and have no electricity and run on weak parliamentary republics and democracies that do absolutely nothing to help their people nor barely have the control to do so.

Though they say not in the film, all I see behind this video is "Blame the white man" between the lines.

CreedIsChrist · May 21, 2009

They do in parts of Europe. And in places like Sweden, with it's huge government programs and 2/3s taxation rate, the public wildly approves of things, and is statistically shown to be one of the happiest populations of any nation on earth.

Actually the Amish take that place...

WarriorAngel · May 21, 2009

AMDG said:
Ooo-ooo-ooo! Can I answer? If it's like the military, you have to first ask permission. If the answer comes back "yes", prepare for a battle that will take years and intimidation like you wouldn't believe.

But figuring that if we get national health care, all the doctors will be in the government's pocket so the whole thing becomes moot--no other doctor would dare give a second opinion (especially one that didn't agree with his employer--he knows "which side his bread is buttered" so the poor patient get's the "short end of the stick".)

Unfortunately I heard these horror stories before.
Which fills me with dread.

Why I oppose government run health care and also why the Democratic Party will never bring it in. The primary funding source for the Democratic Party, no matter where it is, comes from plaintiffs attorneys, be they conservative southern democrats or liberal San Francisco socialists. Simply put, business money backs the GOP and so lawyers give their money to where the best impact will be. The only good Republican when it comes to tort issues is Richard Shelby.

Having said that, we will end up have mandatory health insurance that will be subsidized for the poor but we will never have government health care. Simply put, mandatory insurance, malpractice suits continue. Government run health care, they end. Its why I say yes to national insurance, no to national health care.

Most of the democrats are attorneys.

Anyway - IF National Insurance was affordable and it allowed us to not pay ridiculously high taxes, then why not.
However; it would seem somehow that if they had a monopoly, they wouldnt be affordable.

All i know is i just read today that the heat tax is going to be $3100.00 more in taxes per year per family.
After the Bush tax decrease is up - we will also be paying $1900.00 more a year in taxes.
AND the gas prices are going up..... Food prices are up.
China wont buy anymore secured bonds from us.
The dollar is now worth .50 cents.
Unemployment is around 15% or more now.

We cannot afford Universal Health care on top of that...that will be a significant increase. ALTHO - the UHC was added into the Stimulus package. :o
I am really not looking forward to that tax... i mean - really not.:o

WarriorAngel · May 21, 2009

This video gives us some stuff to think about.

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Thanks for the video...

faerieevaH · May 21, 2009

ShannonMcCatholic said:
Are insurance companies there not-for-profit??

You have for profit insurance companies. They have home insurance etc. and they can give you extra coverage in health care, for example for alternative treatments or if you go to the hospital to cover the extra cost of a room by yourself, etc. It's supplemental to the 'government regulated' care. This is payed by taxes which are of course levied by the government, but distributed by four or five NGO's. A Christian one, a Socialist one, a neutral one and a fourth which I have no idea what it's 'base' is. These NGO's also provide some extra activities like healthy youth camps, health seminars and I believe in the case of the Christian NGO even pilgrimages to Lourdes. These extras of course need to be payed for individually if you want to make use of them but the prices are very reasonable, as a lot of the work is done by volunteers.

Having this NGO provided insurance is mandatory but the cost is (get this) 88 and a half euro's per year. Less than 125 dollars. (of course we do pay higher taxes in general than the US). You go to the doctor and pay about 30 dollars for a visit. After the visit you hand in the receipt at the local office of your NGO (This receipt does not contain any info about your illness or health. The NGO does not get access to your health info) And about 20 to 25 dollars of this gets put back on your bank account.

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