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How much respect is too much? (idolization)

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Firstly, I am new to CF but have had a previous account in which I no longer use. Would love to get to know new people so don't be a stranger! I hope and plan on making it a comfortable home to thoughts, questions, and my (hopefully welcomed) rants. This is a great, spirit-filled website.

That being said, I am a huge fan of Christian art, whether it be paintings, poetry, or compositions. Recently I have began studying Christian poetry and have fallen in love. I myself am a poet, so you could imagine how much I enjoy reading the talent of the past. I am not new to Christianity, and I am indeed a proud "Jesus freak". Which brings me to my point: I am familiar with idolization and it's repercussions.

So, how much respect is too much respect?

The artists I specifically admire are Salvador Dali (painter), Terrence Malick (film director), T. S. Eliot (poet), and R. S. Thomas (poet). I tell you their names for the simple sake of sharing and recommending their work.

Now, the Biblical definition of idolization (in my own words) would most commonly be: an excess admiration or pleasure towards something or someone as much as or equal to God himself. I would not classify my love for these artists as idolization according to the above definition. But as we Christians all know, the Bible is much more than meets the eye.

The thing that worries me is that I have a deep love for these men and their work but I have never even met them. Yes, it is mostly because they are/were fellow brothers in Christ, but still. I also fear that viewing them as "genius'" and "brilliant" may be a form of idolizing; which could be putting them as above others because of their extreme God-given skills. I do not however, consciously anyway, view them as above human or even as "better" than anyone else. I simply admire their intellect and their beautiful minds. When I view upon their work, it is often in glorification God and it's message. But I do have a very deep respect for them though, while I do not know them.

This is where many of you might bring up the point that we all have these same feelings towards the prophets, apostles, and disciples. To me, that is much different. And maybe it shouldn't be, that's for you to tell me. With them, they were directly appointed by God... so if I feel similarly about my favorite artists as I do the prophets, is that too much respect?

This may seem like hogwash babble to some of you, as if I am making way too big a deal out of this. But I am simply being cautious. Which is perfectly okay in my book. I am also headed into ministry, so I may indeed have different convictions.

I appreciate you taking the time and effort to read my nonsense, and will be even more grateful if you have helpful advice. Thanks so much!
 

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These men would tell you that it is GOD that we are to look at. They are merely "pointers" towards Him. Even Jesus said when told His mothers and brothers were outside, that those who do the will of His Father are His mother and brothers. Ministry is about loving God with all of our hearts, minds, souls, and strength. Only then are we equipped to minister. And only then would God prompt us to. WE do not minister in our own strength, but by and through HIS.

God bless you as you take it all before Him and ask for His wisdom, discernment, and clarity. Jesus asked Peter if he loved Him more than "these". Jesus meant "everything", and was asking Peter if he loved Him above ALL things. It is also written that if we put our hand to the plow, and then look back, that we are not fit to labor in the kingdom of God. Kinda' reminds me of Lot's wife, except that when she looked back she was turned into a pillar of salt. But the parallel in both are worth munchin' on.

May God grant you the answers you are seeking.
 
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Not sure how much of that is related, but I appreciate the help.
I recognize that they are just pointers towards the one true poet of the universe. I am just curious of whether or not we should deeply respect any man in general.
As for you mentioning of Jesus' question unto Peter, I will reply the same way. I apologize for not emphasizing my enormous love for God, which surpasses any other love that I have. I did mention though that I do not idolize these men by the definition of idolization, I just want to be careful. I could have put my testimony in here but I didn't think I would have to prove myself... Sorry I just feel very questioned. This post is specifically about the boundaries of respect for men with callings on their lives (because we are supposed to respect our leaders), I just need to know how much is too much. It is a complicated question, I recognize that.
 
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Not sure how much of that is related, but I appreciate the help.
I recognize that they are just pointers towards the one true poet of the universe. I am just curious of whether or not we should deeply respect any man in general.
As for you mentioning of Jesus' question unto Peter, I will reply the same way. I apologize for not emphasizing my enormous love for God, which surpasses any other love that I have. I did mention though that I do not idolize these men by the definition of idolization, I just want to be careful. I could have put my testimony in here but I didn't think I would have to prove myself... Sorry I just feel very questioned. This post is specifically about the boundaries of respect for men with callings on their lives (because we are supposed to respect our leaders), I just need to know how much is too much. It is a complicated question, I recognize that.

We honor them just as we would honor any other brother or sister in Christ, brother in Christ and beloved son of the Most High God.
 
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Outside of responding to faith Jesus made no distinction of anyone being less or greater when it came to something not directly linked with why he had come (like in the case of John the Baptist, or in the case with the gentile woman).

A couple of years ago I was watching as one of the new jets called a Raptor was flying in from over the Atlantic Ocean. I was amazed at the piece of technology with all it's capabilities, and prowess. As this happened these words of John rolled up from within me ... and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration ... and I understood then in a deeper way exactly why he would have said such a thing.

There are many depths of the cross in our life, which the preaching of in the time we live in is far from the truth of the matter.
 
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Admiration, reverence, veneration, etc, is not idolatry. The very word idolatry is a compound of the Greek words eidolon ("image") and latreia ("worship" or more specifically "to serve" or "to adore").

In a broader sense, idolatry can happen anytime our adoration shifts from God to anything else--money, success, love of country, etc

The Apostle Paul tells us, "whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things." (Philippians 4:8)

-CryptoLutheran
 
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