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ChoirDir

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On the matter of the calendar, it was changed by Pope Gregory because the days were no longer in sync with the actual revolution of the earth. Spring was occuring 2 weeks later and if it had been left alone, we would eventually be celebrating Christmas in the summer.

Bastoune said:
Countrymouse: You should print that garbage on OBOB... once again another Protestant rewrites history... but it's not your fault, you were fed that **** and bought it as truth. Too bad I can't reply here but come over to OBOB for a reply.
I would be quick to remind Bastoune that Church of Rome has had more schisms than any other Church in history, if one looks at the hundreds upon hundreds of Protestant groups that grew out of Roman Catholicism.
As in any church there are always a group of extremists, ROCOR is just another example. The Catholics had French Archbishop Marcel LeFevre.
 
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ChoirDir said:
On the matter of the calendar, it was changed by Pope Gregory because the days were no longer in sync with the actual revolution of the earth. Spring was occuring 2 weeks later and if it had been left alone, we would eventually be celebrating Christmas in the summer.


I would be quick to remind Bastoune that Church of Rome has had more schisms than any other Church in history, if one looks at the hundreds upon hundreds of Protestant groups that grew out of Roman Catholicism.
As in any church there are always a group of extremists, ROCOR is just another example. The Catholics had French Archbishop Marcel LeFevre.
The Church of Rome is exactly that: the Church in the city of Rome. Actually, the majority of Protestant groups, I will be quick to remind you, grew out from other Protestant groups! Given the disunity of Orthodox churches on matters of doctrine, one can hardly consider the EO "unified."
 
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Photini said:
Church history is not pretty.
For every Nestor, Arius, Manichae/Cathar, or Luther, there are 10x more Basils, Athanasius's, Sebastians, Hilary's, Martins, Patricks, Cyrils, etc.

Protestantism has yet to produce the men that the Holy Catholic, Apostolic, Orthodox Church of Christ has. Let us not forget that awesome cloud of witnesses!!!
 
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The Church of Rome is exactly that: the Church in the city of Rome
You should read your church history. There were 5 churches in Christianity originally designated by where their heads were, Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria, Constantinople and ROME. All Protestants today can trace their roots back to 1 church only. The split from Rome.
 
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Bastoune said:
For every Nestor, Arius, Manichae/Cathar, or Luther, there are 10x more Basils, Athanasius's, Sebastians, Hilary's, Martins, Patricks, Cyrils, etc.

Protestantism has yet to produce the men that the Holy Catholic, Apostolic, Orthodox Church of Christ has. Let us not forget that awesome cloud of witnesses!!!
:rolleyes:
 
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True ecumenicalism will take place when being a Christian will land one in the camps, then at that point the Evangelical will share his memory of the Bible, The Catholic and Orthodox and Anglican will share the Liturgy and so forth.


That is very thought provoking. I once "heard" a poster on a different message board say that America was the last "frontier" of Orthodoxy.
 
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countrymousenc said:
I truly appreciate all of your responses, chanter, Matrona, and prodromos. Chanter, I do and will always remain focussed on Christ. I do not, however, believe that the laity should ignore Church politics. That is how the Western churches have become what they are - the ignorance and repression of the laity. Please forgive me, everyone, because I am about to wax longwinded! The Roman church for many centuries kept her laity in great darkness through denying them their right to worship and hear and read the Scriptures in their own native languages. Needless to say, an ignorant laity had little to no voice in the affairs of the church. You know, of course, that the Orthodox Church hasn't behaved in that sad manner. During the early Protestant Reformation, many Christians gave their lives to end this darkness. The last 500 years have been a struggle to return to the Light. It is a shame that experience taught us so much distrust that we spurned parts of the Tradition, but I can understand why that happened. Unfortunately, for the last 150 years or so, Protestantism has increasingly become revisionistic where the Scriptures are concerned as well, picking and choosing what to believe and either ignoring or reinterpreting to suit its fancy. Two polarities dating to the 19th century have contributed to this: "Higher Criticism" and "Form Criticism" vs the other extreme, dispensationalism (the popular theology of Evangelical fundamentalism, and simply a form of 19th century adventism). Both these trends have rendered two responses, (1) a tendency to an extreme form of the sola scriptura principle in which each reader truly becomes his own pope, and (2) replacing reading the Scriptures with reading about the Scriptures. We know too well the results of the first, and I am amazed at the patience of those who have taken the second path, given that no two popular or scholarly writers today agree. In spite of it all, or maybe because of it all, most Protestant churches are inviting disaster by further rejecting ancient Tradition. Faithful Calvinists have held on tight to the Westminster Confession, but their dry rationalism is not something I find to be an acceptable alternative, although I admire them for maintaining high moral standards. Then there's Vatican II, in which the Roman Catholic church decided that it admires two non-Christian traditions (that I will not name for fear of being slapped on the wrist by somebody) as "adoring the same God we adore." Uh-uh. No one who denies the atoning death and resurrection of Christ adores the Father! Not remotely an option.

Guess who's left by process of elimination. I'm at this point on the outside looking in at the fruit, and I need to see a good tree somewhere! Historical Unity and Faithfulness have been preached to me in the past by other Orthodox folks; I don't want to find out that it isn't as true as they claimed.

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I wasn't going to comment on your post here, in this thread, but after thinking about it I decided I should . .

You gave your reasons for seriously looking at Eastern Orthodoxy . .and you gave it as a process of elimination . . as much as I can agree with most of what you wrote about Protestantism and your reason for eliminating it, I found your reasons for eliminating Catholicism leaving much to be desired . .

I am not at all suggesting that you should not become Eatsern Orthodox . . I love the Eastern Orthodox Church - I grew up in it as a child . . I think you would love it too. :)

But you and I have come to two very different understandings of Church history . . . and one of us is wrong!

If you are eliminating Catholicism based on what you wrote above . . then you are misinformed about Catholicism and are eliminating it for the wrong reasons . .

I do NOT want to try to talk you out of becoming Orthodox . . I don't want you to misunderstand my intentions in making this post . . I want you to be aware of the poor understanding you have, as evidence by the inaccurate post you made, about Catholicism upon which you are basing some of your decisions . .

Please come to OBOB to talk about it with us . . then at least you will have more accurate information . .

:)


Peace in Him!
 
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ChoirDir said:
Please show us your proof
What you need is one infallible leader and every theological point infallibly spelt out in one thick Catechism. Then you'll be unified ;) :p
 
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thereselittleflower said:
You gave your reasons for seriously looking at Eastern Orthodoxy . .and you gave it as a process of elimination . . as much as I can agree with most of what you wrote about Protestantism and your reason for eliminating it, I found your reasons for eliminating Catholicism leaving much to be desired . .
Really? I feel the exact opposite.
 
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jeffthefinn said:
But I do not think the calendar is the issue at all, it is how Orthodox interact with other Christians that is.
Bingo. The "conflict" between Old Calendarists and New Calendarists is only ostensibly about a calendar. The real source of tension is eucmenicism and the role of the Orthodox Church in organizations such as the WCC.
 
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Bastoune said:
Given the disunity of Orthodox churches on matters of doctrine, one can hardly consider the EO "unified
From Father Thomas Hopko
The Orthodox Church as a whole is the unity of what are called local autocephalous or autonomous churches. These words mean simply that these churches govern themselves, electing their own bishops and organizing their own lives.

Each of these churches has exactly the same doctrine, discipline and spiritual practices. They use the same Bible, follow the same canon laws, confess the authority of the same Church Councils and worship by what is essentially the same liturgy.

It is nothing other than this communion in faith and practice which unites all Orthodox Churches together into one world-wide body. In this sense, there is no one dominating authority in the Orthodox Church, no particular bishop or see or document which has authority over the churches.

In practice, the Church of Constantinople has functioned for centuries as the church responsible for guiding and preserving the worldwide unity of the family of self-governing Orthodox Churches. But it must be noticed that this responsibility is merely a practical and pastoral one. It carries no sacramental or juridical power with it and it is possible that in the future this function may pass to some other church.
 
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Bastoune said:
Countrymouse: You should print that garbage on OBOB... once again another Protestant rewrites history... but it's not your fault, you were fed that **** and bought it as truth. Too bad I can't reply here but come over to OBOB for a reply.

http://www.christianforum.com/showthread.php?p=1691934#post1691934


Well, Bastoune, if it is garbage, then I want to know. So, I'll be over to OBOB to have a look. By the way, I read the part about admiring - ok, I'll say it -Jews and Muslims for adoring the same God we do straight from an English translation of Vatican II. Btw, just so you know that I know, Protestant history isn't pretty, either.
 
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