how many people?

[onefaith]

i wanted to know how many progressive adventist don't believe in the prophet of ellen g white? what percentage of people follow all of the beliefs except for that one? would you still be considered a progressive adventist?

i myself fall into this category. and wanted to know if anyone else felt that same?

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

I doubt that there is any studies which could give a percentage. When one stops holding to EGW as a prophet there are many other areas that become hard to accept. So I doubt there are too many who only disagree with EGW and accept all other traditional Adventist beliefs. The following article lists some of the general differences between Progressive and Traditional adventists
Traditional and Progressive SDA's ...Truth Traditional or Progressive

 

[Byfaithalone1]

I doubt that there is any studies which could give a percentage. When one stops holding to EGW as a prophet there are many other areas that become hard to accept. So I doubt there are too many who only disagree with EGW and accept all other traditional Adventist beliefs. The following article lists some of the general differences between Progressive and Traditional adventists
Traditional and Progressive SDA's ...Truth Traditional or Progressive

I agree, RC. I don't have any scientific studies either. However, when a person begins to question whether the writings of Ellen G. White are authoritative, it might be rather common for that person to begin to consider the source of the traditional SDA beliefs. In doing so, that person begins to realize that the source of some of the traditional SDA beliefs isn't what he thought it was.

BFA

 

[Restin]

i wanted to know how many progressive adventist don't believe in the prophet of ellen g white? what percentage of people follow all of the beliefs except for that one? would you still be considered a progressive adventist?

i myself fall into this category. and wanted to know if anyone else felt that same?

Over controversial issues with EGW I totally 'threw her out'. However, over time, I came to see her as inspired by God for a specific purpose. A call to repentance was given to John the Baptist. John the Baptist was not clear about the first coming. EGW, though given the call to repentance was not clear about the second coming

Another person was Jehu, in the scriptures. (1 Kings 19 - 2 Kings 10:31). Jehu was annointed of God to destroy the house of Ahab. He did the work for which he was called, but he did not depart from the sins of Jeroboam. For that God said '....your sons of the fourth generation shall sit on the throne of Israel.' 2 Kings 10:30

This is how I see EGW. She was called of God, but her work is effective for only 4 generations (40 years/80 years?). Her work was a call to repentance, to destroy modern day humanism sweeping across this country at that period of time. Nothing more. With this perception I do not use her writings to 'prove' anything, neither does the Bible need her writings to give it support.

God is giving us in this day and time to examine, and prove all things. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 This is true with any and every theologian out there. We tend to look to the pastor or preacher to digest our spiritual food. OK, for children, but as we mature, this is between myself and God. I don't need 'preacher says' or 'EGW says'! Beyond that I should not be saying or thinking 'Paul says'.

1 Corinthians 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
v23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; KJV

Peace....Restin

 

[sentipente]

Heb. 1:1 says that communication via prophets ceased when the Son arrived. I believe that.

 

[Restin]

Heb. 1:1 says that communication via prophets ceased when the Son arrived. I believe that.

Yes, there was a change.
John 17 - Jesus prays for the disciples and
those who would believe on Him, through their word.
Restin

 

[mva1985]

Heb. 1:1 says that communication via prophets ceased when the Son arrived. I believe that.

Hebrews 1

1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

1 Corinthians 12:
7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines."

Hmmmmm..... Doesn't seem like prophecy stopped when Christ came, as Paul mentions it being a gift of the Spirit years later. 1 Corinthians was written in approximately AD 53-57.

And don't forget about Joel chapter 2.

 

[StormyOne]

one can speak prophecy without being a prophet.... there is a slight difference I think....

 

[sentipente]

MVA, Joel 2 was fulfilled at Pentecost. Don't confuse the prophetic gift with the prophetic office. The first continues and the latter has ceased.

 

[Restin]

MVA, Joel 2 was fulfilled at Pentecost. Don't confuse the prophetic gift with the prophetic office. The first continues and the latter has ceased.

Likewise, we confuse the 'gifts of the spirit' in 1 Cor 12:4-11 with the 'fruit of the spirit' Gal 5:22-24

Just because a person has 'the gift of prophesy' does not mean necessarily that they have the 'fruit of the spirit'.

1 Corinthians 13:8 Love, the fruit of the spirit, never fails; but gifts -
...gifts of prophecy -- done away;
...tongues - cease;
...knowledge - done away.

1 Cor 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child:
but when I became a man, I put away childish things. KJV

Much to my shame, I was spiritually a child many years beyond being 30 years old in the flesh!

In Christ,
Restin

 

[AzA]

Another person was Jehu, in the scriptures. (1 Kings 19 - 2 Kings 10:31). Jehu was annointed of God to destroy the house of Ahab. He did the work for which he was called, but he did not depart from the sins of Jeroboam. For that God said '....your sons of the fourth generation shall sit on the throne of Israel.' 2 Kings 10:30

This is how I see EGW. She was called of God, but her work is effective for only 4 generations (40 years/80 years?).

I'd find it odd to extrapolate a time of applicability for a prophet or "messenger" or "pastoral writer" from the atypical experience of a non-prophet who had no message and left no writings. It would be something like using Cyrus the Great as the benchmark for Peter.
Wouldn't one want to compare people who are in the same class?

 

[mva1985]

one can speak prophecy without being a prophet.... there is a slight difference I think....

I can go along with this to a point, but you can't tell me that Heb. 1:1 says that communication via prophets ceased. I know you didn't say this but it was the context in which I responded.

 

[mva1985]

You would say that John the Revelator was not a prophet?

MVA, Joel 2 was fulfilled at Pentecost. Don't confuse the prophetic gift with the prophetic office. The first continues and the latter has ceased.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

You would say that John the Revelator was not a prophet?

How many prophets have there been since the first century? Particularly since the Bible was compiled. Could you name some of them? That is these prophets who claimed to be prophets or more than prophets. Do you have copies of their written works?

 

[sentipente]

You would say that John the Revelator was not a prophet?

It is always best to establish the principle first. What you think of John has nothing to do with the principle.

 

[Restin]

Wouldn't one want to compare people who are in the same class?

In my understanding EGW is in the same class as either Jehu or John the Baptist. (writing many books - that have been altared and plagerized, gives me to question 'inspiration' in regards to what is called 'her' writings). If you see EGW differently, that's your privilege.

In my post on the first page, I was using the examples of John the Baptist and Jehu to give an example that God anoints, calls people, including prophets to do a certain work, for a certain purpose. If Jehu's example of 'four generations' (40/80 years) throws you off...by all means don't make anything of it. I hope you noticed that at first I 'threw her out" entirely. Then after reviewing things, I concluded, that EGW was called of God for a specific purpose.

post #4 this thread - Her work was a call to repentance, to destroy modern day humanism sweeping across this country at that period of time. Nothing more.

Peace......Restin

 

[S53]

My opinion on White is this:

She got some stuff right. But she also got some things wrong. Do I think I'll see her in heaven? Yes.

What I do not like is when Adventist hold her above the Bible. Not all mind you, but some spend too much time studying her books then the Book.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

i don't believe in EGW

 

[Avonia]

i don't believe in EGW

What does it mean to say that you don't believe in another human being?

 

[sentipente]

What does it mean to say that you don't believe in another human being?

It is always amazing to note the things we are driven to say by ideology.