John 1
[ Jesus the Lamb of God ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
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Where does it say in the Bible --- literally or figuratively --- that Jesus was a sheep?
He is the Shepherd - we are the sheep.
Ya --- here's my "complicated explaining":
In fact, that "complicated explanation" is our motto.
- The Bible says it - that settles it.
Where does it say in the Bible --- literally or figuratively --- that Jesus was a sheep?
He is the Shepherd - we are the sheep.John 1
[ Jesus the Lamb of God ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Do you stand corrected?
When all else fails, Goddidit.
Just wait for AV1611VET to be reduced to 'Goddidit' and you have won.
Anyway, I agree. If the flood isn't true, how can ANY of the Bible be true? Simple answer: It isn't.
Seems to me that only atheists are voting, a typical problem in Christianity, we don't stand together...We have written thousands and thousands of words for and against there ever being a World Wide Flood,
so don't write anything, just vote.
Do you or don't you think there was a 'World Wide Flood'?
I'd like to know who polled ALL geologists? No one has, so we cannot possibly know that none of them believe in the flood solely on geologic merits.So find a geologist who accepts the global flood because of scientific evidence and not religious belief. Even Kurt Wise has stated that no such geologist exists.
Seems to me that only atheists are voting, a typical problem in Christianity, we don't stand together...
What does atheism have to do with the facts associated with geology? If there was a global flood, it would be represented in the geological column, and we'd be able to see the evidence for ourselves in many places around the world. This evidence doesn't exist.Seems to me that only atheists are voting, a typical problem in Christianity, we don't stand together...
More nonsense. Being Christian has nothing to do with accepting the massive evidence for an old earth and against the global flood. Check the Affiliation of Christian Geologists or Answer in Creation for examples. Perhaps you should also read Glenn Morton's Story and History of the Collapse of Flood Geology and a Young Earth by Evangelical Christian Davis Young.Seems to me that only atheists are voting, a typical problem in Christianity, we don't stand together...
I'd like to know who polled ALL geologists? No one has, so we cannot possibly know that none of them believe in the flood solely on geologic merits.
Can you send me a link to these "falsifications" of the flood of Noah? I'd like to read them.I suppose it is not your problem because you have decided long ago to ignore the mass of scientific evidence the contradicts your interpretation of the Bible but it is a problem for flood geologists. Your constant repeating of the phrase "keep looking" doen't help you though because the more science looks the more evidence it finds against the global flood.
No, they interpret it the only way that makes any logical sense. Don't forget that the scientists who first falsified the global flood had been taught that it was a real event. Perhaps you should read Glenn Morton's story. He tried hard to interpret the data he collected in the way he had been taught, that is in terms of a global flood, but found it was impossible. The same was true of David Young and several other geologists who were trained as flood believers. It is only recently that there have been a few (very few) geologists who have been sufficiently indocrinated in the flood myth to hold it against the evidence of modern geology.
Perhaps you could also tell us how to interpret biogeography and biodiversity and the fossil record in terms of a global flood. All the attempts I have seen from flood believers so far lead to complete absurdities and I have seen a lot of them.
That is because you close you eyes to the multiple falsifications of the global flood. But accepting science over religious dogma does not really cause me any problems.
So find us a geologist who has accepted the flood based on the evidence from geology and not because of their religious belief. I have seen this challenge posted many times and never answered. You might might want to read The Creationists by Ronald Numbers. He documents that until very recently there were no geologists in any of the YEC organization because they kept dropping out after they actually went into the field to study geology. It is only recently that there have been people so thoroughly indoctrinated in YEC that their beliefs could survive actual work in geology. This is the major reason that ICR first instituted its oath of faith.I'd like to know who polled ALL geologists? No one has, so we cannot possibly know that none of them believe in the flood solely on geologic merits.
Personally I prefer to deal with reality.
Can you send me a link to these "falsifications" of the flood of Noah? I'd like to read them.
Several years ago I collected links to a few of the ones we had discussed under a thread title Falsifications of the Worldwide Flood. Some of the links in those post no longer work but we could discuss any particular subject if you like, maybe salt deposits, or trace fossils or biogeography or the fossil record in general or where the water came from and where it went or the impossibility of 8 people taking care of all the animals or the problem of cramming massive earth impacts and huge volcanic eruptions into a short time frame. You can find quite a few on Glenn Morton's homepage. The web site Creation Science and Earth History also has several and there are many other lists.Can you send me a link to these "falsifications" of the flood of Noah? I'd like to read them.
Thank you. I'll get back to you after I've read them.Several years ago I collected links to a few of the ones we had discussed under a thread title Falsifications of the Worldwide Flood. Some of the links in those post no longer work but we could discuss any particular subject if you like, maybe salt deposits, or trace fossils or biogeography or the fossil record in general or where the water came from and where it went or the impossibility of 8 people taking care of all the animals or the problem of cramming massive earth impacts and huge volcanic eruptions into a short time frame. You can find quite a few on Glenn Morton's homepage. The web site Creation Science and Earth History also has several and there are many other lists.
It will be a hot day in Helsinki when that happens.
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