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How can you not like shellfish?
(rhetorical question, don't feel like pointing out that Jesus indicated otherwise)
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Me thinks you should get off the shellfish eaters example, since the NT tells us that no food is bad. I can get that scripture if you need me too?
Now it does say that if you think it is bad/sin then for you it would be a sin to eat shellfish, and it would be bad/sin for me, if knowing that, I would eat shellfish in front of you. So if we are ever together eating please be sure I know you are there and that you consider shellfish eating a sin, because I wouldn't want to do anything to make a person stumble.
You probably won't have to worry though, because I don't really like shellfish, but my husband does and I know he wouldn't want to be a stumbling block either. So please be sure if you are out eating that you make your brothers/sisters aware of your belief on shellfish.
If you have problems with mixed fabrics please let us know also, because most brothers/sister, that I know, wouldn't want to be a strumbling block in anyway.
God Bless.
Fundamentalists, maybe. Please don't confuse regular Christians with that bunch. George W. Bush is not one; heck, he was raised Episcopalian. He just became an expert on schmoozing them during his father's 1988 campaign.
They do not learn to hate those who eat shell fish, work on the Sabbath, or charge interese[sp] on loans.
The point of the OP IS that many Christians LIE (or don't 'fess up' to) about their reasons - which THEY claim are scriptural - for condemning homosexuality. Grammar and spelling aside, do you have any thoughts on this? If you had read the post you would realize that it has little or nothing to do with the tired argument about removing the log in one's eye.
Fundamentalists, maybe. Please don't confuse regular Christians with that bunch.
As well as getting off LGBTs because the concept to love another physically of the same gender being sinful is obviously a primitive social construct just like the ban on scrimps and Ban-Lon.
Religious folks do their version of what we call in the therapeutic community "an intervention" such as confronting an alcoholic and changing family dynamics which previously indulged such a one, and it is appropriate in such cases. However, it is NEVER appropriate toward an LGBT person if addressing that individual's sexuality. Now, promiscuity, regardless of orientation, okay. They intervene on that in the MCC (Metropolitan Community Church, a mostly LGBT Pentecostal denomination).
The point of the OP is that the huge majority of Christians would dislike/disapprove of homosexuals/homosexuality REGARDLESS of what the Bible/God may or may not have to say about the issue. They use the Bible/God merely to support their OWN heart agenda. This is being dishonest. Therefore they are lying. They also unwittingly shoot themselves in the foot when they target homosexuality but blatantly ignore the many scriptures that refer to some very clearly defined commands/abominations/sins unlike those supposedly pertaining to homosexuality. One of those clearly defined abominations is ...um, lying.
As you've already noticed ...our anti-gay brothers and sisters are conspicuous on this thread by their absence.
I don't think it is as complex or psychological as all that. As someone else has stated, I think the majority of Christians actually believe what they say, those who say that homosexual actions are wicked, and that people who choose to engage in them are correspondingly wicked.The point of the OP IS that many Christians LIE (or don't 'fess up' to) about their reasons - which THEY claim are scriptural - for condemning homosexuality. ... do you have any thoughts on this?
I don't think it is as complex or psychological as all that. As someone else has stated, I think the majority of Christians actually believe what they say, those who say that homosexual actions are wicked, and that people who choose to engage in them are correspondingly wicked.
I don't know why God made us like this, but people are very easily led. There is a reason "sodomy" means anal sex today, despite the fact that homosexuality, if it was a problem in Sodom, was only the tip of the iceberg, or an illustrated straw that broke the camel's back. Quite simply, all it takes is someone who isn't very clever to read parts of the Bible, and then for that person to lead a large group. People actually believe Sodom & Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexual actions (and thus because of the homosexuals who did them), because that is what they were taught by their teachers. I was taught it as a child, and I believed it until I actually read the Bible for myself.
I think to call someone a liar is a very dangerous thing; often it requires assumptions about what he thinks, and I think such assumptions are foolish.
Obedience to God.Well, what would you call it then? Love?
Because they do not adhere to your scriptural interpretation? That they believe it? Are you serious?I will not say all fundamentalist Christians who attack homosexuals are liars when they claim they are motivated solely because "the BIIII-BBBLE says it is wrong". I will say the leaders of the religious right, cynical political manipulators all, are liars because by and large these are highly educated people who know better. I will say of the remainder that those which are not lying are massively suffering from cognitive dissonance. Like the Mad Hatter in Alice in Wonderland they have determined to believe in ten impossible things each day before breakfast.
Obedience to God.
Because they do not adhere to your scriptural interpretation? That they believe it? Are you serious?
Mocking? What? What lack of an argument? The scriptures are THERE. "Defying" God will.. only result in death.I am as serious as cancer. Please do not mock those with whom you disagree to mask your lack of an argument.
You assume too much.Questing the 'seriousness' of a post in feigned shock.
Who is good but God? This is foolishness.If such is true then death is the fate of all persons of integrity and then the only ones in a hebbin with their evil god are the corrupt.
Evil religionists, huh?"Scriptures" which harm people are the work of evil religionists and-or an evil god and to be disregarded as the filth they are.
Obedience to God.
Okay, I can accept that as a sincere answer.
But my implication previously was that the gays are being treated hatefully, so why be surprised when people call it as such.
Also, see TL response above....
an entity like that isn't god, it's a monster.
*Btw, take a look at my signature. What are your thoughts on it?
Who is good but God?
As well as getting off LGBTs because the concept to love another physically of the same gender being sinful is obviously a primitive social construct just like the ban on scrimps and Ban-Lon.
Religious folks do their version of what we call in the therapeutic community "an intervention" such as confronting an alcoholic and changing family dynamics which previously indulged such a one, and it is appropriate in such cases. However, it is NEVER appropriate toward an LGBT person if addressing that individual's sexuality. Now, promiscuity, regardless of orientation, okay. They intervene on that in the MCC (Metropolitan Community Church, a mostly LGBT Pentecostal denomination).
I will not disagree with that. But who is rejecting who?Precisely why God would never reject his LGBT children. Thank you.
How can you not like shellfish?
(rhetorical question, don't feel like pointing out that Jesus indicated otherwise)
Oh, I understood the point you were making, but I still disagree.
I think the real issue is that they get so wrapped up in the bible, they forget to get out of it and live in the real world. They get so wrapped up in judging others on God's behalf, they forget who they really are.
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