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Nonsense.You get born of water when your mom's water break that's what Jesus mean
Nonsense.
When you were baptized what did your pastor immerse you in?
You get born of water when your mom's water break that's what Jesus mean , then you need to be born of Spirit .
Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were coming and being baptized.
If so, how do you explain John 3:23?
It looks as though that isn't the answer. Consider the following:John was baptising for repentance to prepare way for Messiah , when Jesus resurrected and was given the power he send Holy Ghost at pentecost baptising church with fire .
And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, ‘I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?’ Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, ‘See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?’ And Philip said, ‘If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.’ And he answered and said, ‘I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.’
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. Acts 8:26-39[/quote]
It looks as though that isn't the answer. Consider the following:
But that isn't the issue. The issue concerned whether baptism uses regular water such as might be found in a river or pond OR if that one Bible reference refers--as you maintained it does--to a mothers water breaking during childbirth.Yea , he baptised him AFTER he was saved by believing , most modern translations remove the vers in middle making it look like baptism saves .
But that isn't the issue. The issue concerned whether baptism uses regular water such as might be found in a river or pond OR if that one Bible reference refers--as you maintained it does--to a mothers water breaking during childbirth.
I don't think that is so, but put it aside for the moment.In the passage with Nicodemus he is clearly talking about broken waters , because he is mentioning a woman , not a lake with water .
I don't think that is so, but put it aside for the moment.
We have other verses, as I have shown you, which make clear that it is actual pond or river water that was used in NT baptisms. So that settles the question, from the word of God, as to which it was.
But they alredy been saved prior to the water baptism so the baptism does not save
That's a completely different issue, my friend. (In fact, it's two of them)
We have been discussing whether or not water is part of Baptism, according to Scripture.
Water is part of Water baptism
So when Jesus was speaking with Nicodemus, he was NOT referring to water in childbirth caused by the mother's water breaking (but instead to the water that is normally used in the sacrament and as described in the BIble verse I gave).
So when Jesus was speaking with Nicodemus, he was NOT referring to water in childbirth caused by the mother's water breaking (but instead to the water that is normally used in the sacrament and as described in the BIble verse I gave).
So, the mother's water breaking idea now dispatched, you are switching to another theory? There is no reason to think that Nicodemus could not receive Christian baptism later.He was refering to , phariasies rejected the water baptism of John in first place .
so how do you interpret Romans 11:6 ?
John was baptising for repentance to prepare way for Messiah , when Jesus resurrected and was given the power he send Holy Ghost at pentecost baptising church with fire .
Yes, we are saved by grace--but please try to understand. Jesus gives us a different method of getting INTO heaven, in Matt 25.
Chinchilla, this is foolishness, and deep down you know it. If John was baptizing for repentance, why do WE not have to show fruits of repentance as well? And don't try to tell me that you call on the blood of Jesus, because you don't even know what that means.
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