How Many Mediators?

[JoabAnias]

Despite RCC propaganda to the contrary, the Protestant Reformation had everything to do with significant heresies and errors that were present in the RCC at that time and which had evolved over time as the ancient truths of the Bible had been reinterpreted and/or abandoned. The Protestant Reformers were hardly the first to call for reform in the RCC, and they were hardly the last, by any means.

Interestingly, the concept of Mary as Co-Mediatrix with Jesus Christ was virtually unknown at that time and is a much more recent departure in the RCC from scripture.

The Bible which Catholics are so grateful for you to read is in affect a development of doctrine in itself as it developed through and from the Church without which it would not exist today.

There is one revelation from Christ however He deems fit from time to time to enhance our understanding of that complete revelation through the Holy Spirit.

Is this a theology thread or a misconceptions in ignorance thread?

 

[JoabAnias]

Protestant Reformation had everything to do with significant heresies and errors that were present in the RCC at that time and which had evolved over time as the ancient truths of the Bible had been reinterpreted and/or abandoned.

Interesting.

I would disagree that the protest was about heresy at all but more so about tempers and pride.

Can't see where anything was abandoned over time either, just the opposite. Unless you mean what those abandoned after they became self righteous and indignant and created their own religions. Like the sacraments for example without which Jesus said one would have no life in them.

Jesus says He sent the Holy Spirit to reveal all things. Not cut some off and disregard what was already revealed. Thought scripture does say the disobedient and lukewarm will be vomited out of the mouth of God.

That cutting off is the result of the sins and disobedience of men and why so many have been vomited out to relive the catastrophe of being cut off yet again - generation after generation in an endless loop of division while the foundation and pillar of the faith [2 Tim 3:15] remains stalwart just as Jesus promised. The gates of hell will not prevail though they will certainly try.

Some choose of free will to run away at the attacks on her in a futile effort to flee their crosses but the stout and faithful stay at the foot of the Cross just like St. Mary and St. John. and then others weep bitterly and return like the other 12. The only ones who knew where the words of eternal life came from. [John 6].

 

[ThomasAbel70]

The Bible which Catholics are so grateful for you to read is in affect a development of doctrine in itself as it developed through and from the Church without which it would not exist today.

There is one revelation from Christ however He deems fit from time to time to enhance our understanding of that complete revelation through the Holy Spirit.

Is this a theology thread or a misconceptions in ignorance thread?

One Mediator (male).

No limit on intercessors and no mention on how many female mediatrixes is ever mentioned in scripture.

That is, "if" we want to go by the literal words "in" The Bible.

 

[MamaZ]

and notice we have one advocate.. That being Christ Jesus..

 

[Thekla]

No amount of Roman Catholic spin can save that false doctrine.

1 Timothy 2
5For
there is one God;
there is also one mediator between God and humankind,
Christ Jesus, himself human,
6 who gave himself a ransom for all
—this was attested at the right time.

Hi, Brennin and all !

a mesitis (here translated as mediator, who knows why ?) is a covenant-maker, etc

intercessor (enteuxis) is one who prays for ...

I would think the RCs when using "mediation" would mean enteuxis, not mesitis

 

[MoNiCa4316]

I am confused. One of the offices and titles ascribed to the Blessed Virgin Mary by the Roman Catholic Church is that of Co-Mediatrix. In my experience being a co-something implies complete and utter equality. For example, two co-chairs of an organization are sharing the same office. Otherwise, one would be CEO and the other Vice-Ceo. Thus, it appears to me that the Blessed Virgin Mary is one of (at least) two mediators between God and man.

Now, my good friend, JacktheCatholic, tells me that Mary is just another saint in heaven to whom we pray and hold in high esteem. If that is the case, then are there lots of mediators (saints) between God and Man, just two, one, or none?

the Co-Redemptrix idea is not official doctrine, at least not yet.

I think a lot of people misunderstand it because of the word "co". However, this is Latin, not English.
let's not look at the words for a moment here..
what the whole idea is saying is that because the Virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus and was there when He died for our sins, she is involved in HIS work of redemption. It's always His work, but the Catholic Church teaches that by uniting our sufferings to His (for example), we can participate in it. Mary does this in a greater way because she's also involved in the Incarnation, which was the beginning of our Redemption.

There is one mediator between God and man..Jesus Christ.. not two, not several. And we are saved only by the Cross. That is correct
Co-Redemptrix does not make Mary a 'redeemer' or a 'mediator'.. it's more like: woman with the Redeemer.. unfortunately the Latin words are confusing. Hope that makes sense.

God bless