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Do you mean how many didn’t hear?How many heard the gospel before the time of Abraham? Does that mean God left out those people from the gospel?
Good day,Where do you get the idea that it is the knowledge that is been taken away?
Not sure what you are saying. The one not given knowledge has his knowledge taken away?Good day,
Right in the text:
To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, (but) to them it has not been given. For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, (but) from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. This is why I speak to them in parables
Remember the question: "Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” "
The ones given... get more knowledge
The one not given have it taken away
That is why he speaks to them in parables.
In Him,
Bill
Good day, ZoidarNot sure what you are saying. The one not given knowledge has his knowledge taken away?
How is that logical? Knowledge they don't have is taken away.Good day, Zoidar
Yes...
That is why he speaks to them in parables.
Different thread.I don't understand your reasoning or why it would be so.
We should agree that "trying to save" and "wanting to save" are different things in language. If we don't use the language the same way there is no possibility to have a discussion. Or we have to start with discussing what you mean by "trying" and "wanting".
What was your point? I showed you your claim was wrong: "This means that everyone else wasn’t chosen." Of course God had a chosen people, and obviously only Israel was God's chosen people. But that was not only concerning salvation in the sense that only Israel would be saved and no other people. For an example what about the people of Nineveh?
The same as with the Canaanite woman. She was not of the chosen people Israel Jesus came to save. Yet he healed her anyway.
But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” And He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” But she said, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed at once.
— Matthew 15:24-28
No, you have given a possible understanding of Titus 2:1-12 which doesn't fit 1 Timothy 2:1-6 very well. Most scholars also disagree with you
Good Day, ZoidarHow is that logical? Knowledge they don't have is taken away.
The other one got closed. I figured you were willing to answer her. I deleted the post. God bless!Different thread.
There is post 221, though.The other one got closed. I figured you were willing to answer her. I deleted the post. God bless!
There is post 221, though.
I think you know what I mean. No one knew the gospel at that time. Does that mean God leave them out from the gospel?Do you mean how many didn’t hear?
No, which is why I asked.I think you know what I mean.
I think a lot of people knew the gospel before Abraham. But I also think there were a lot of people, probably even more people, who hadn’t heard the gospel at that time and yes, God did leave them out.No one knew the gospel at that time. Does that mean God leave them out from the gospel?
What gospel saved Noah? I think he was saved because he was a righteous man who believed in God, not through a belief in a future Messiah, which I hardly believe he knew about. He didn't as far as I know have the gospel, and still wasn't left out.No, which is why I asked.
I think a lot of people knew the gospel before Abraham. But I also think there were a lot of people, probably even more people, who hadn’t heard the gospel at that time and yes, God did leave them out.
I think there might be a range of meanings. But I read it this way:Good Day, Zoidar
They are not given it does not mean they have not acquired any on their own....
To do think a hardened atheist can read Scripture and acquire some knowledge about God?
What is your take on the text: from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. This is why I speak to them in parables
In Him,
Bill
What gospel saved Abraham?What gospel saved Noah? I think he was saved because he was a righteous man who believed in God, not through a belief in a future Messiah, which I hardly believe he knew about. He didn't as far as I know have the gospel, and still wasn't left out.
Then Jonah began to go through the city one day’s walk; and he cried out and said, “Yet forty days and Nineveh will be overthrown.”See also the people of Nineveh. Did they have the gospel? They were not even of God's chosen people, but were saved anyhow.
The point I'm trying to make is that not having the gospel preached to you doesn't have to mean you are left out. And is certainly not a proof that you are.What gospel saved Abraham?
The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.”
— Galatians 3:8
Then Jonah began to go through the city one day’s walk; and he cried out and said, “Yet forty days and Nineveh will be overthrown.”
— Jonah 3:4
Of course He did. And Jesus was clear that He came for the lost sheep of Israel. Never was all of Israel in the picture. John 10 and Romans 9 make that point. Not all Israel is Israel. If so, Jesus was a horrible shepherd who couldn’t save all the sheep in His care.The point I'm trying to make is that not having the gospel preached to you doesn't have to mean you are left out. And is certainly not a proof that you are.
But if we go to your OP, many of the people that you say God "left out" had probably heard about Jesus and could seek him up. I'm sure some did. We have the Canaanite woman.
Do you think that the apostles went to every single family in the house of Israel? If not, from your reasoning, God must have left out some of the people of the house of Israel.
Did Jesus command the twelve to go only to those that would accept the gospel and be saved?Of course He did. And Jesus was clear that He came for the lost sheep of Israel. Never was all of Israel in the picture. John 10 and Romans 9 make that point. Not all Israel is Israel. If so, Jesus was a horrible shepherd who couldn’t save all the sheep in His care.
I’m not sure how you see this as supporting your point.Did Jesus command the twelve to go only to those that would accept the gospel and be saved?
Jesus was going through all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness. Seeing the people, He felt compassion for them, because they were distressed and dispirited like sheep without a shepherd.
— Matthew 9:35-36
If the people are called sheep in Matt 9, not only the elect, why would Jesus limit sheep in Matt 10 to just the elect?I’m not sure how you see this as supporting your point.
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