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What, that we don't need forgiveness from God? How are we to meditate away guilt? Buddhism has karma and consequences too, and reincarnation into lower realms or states of being. People that don't feel guilt are called sociopaths.I don't agree with that perspective anymore.
People that don't feel guilt are called sociopaths.
^This.I can't go through life thinking I could be cut down by some technicality, failure to fulfill an obligation or perform a necessary ritual. People can drive themselves crazy over worry. That's the alternative to OSAS, since we know how wretched we can be, or we can stop believing in judgement altogether.
What, that we don't need forgiveness from God? How are we to meditate away guilt?
Buddhism has karma and consequences too, and reincarnation into lower realms or states of being. People that don't feel guilt are called sociopaths.
^This.
When I was a practicing Christian, OSAS put the power
behind my salvation back in God's hands where it
belonged. Otherwise, I'd never know how many Good
Works Per Minute (GWPMs) I was supposed to be running
at in order to be assured that my faith was real and
therefore my salvation was still intact, making the
whole thing just another version of salvation-by-works,
sneaking in through the back door in disguise.
There's something like this in Japanese Shin Buddhism. But it's also recognized as symbolic and not as reified as the typical Christian understands it. We are carried along by wisdom and compassion, and for some, that is personified in the Buddha of Infiinite Light. But it's not necessary to understand that in a reified sense of being some guy in the heavens. The Buddha is within you.
No, There was a rebellion. I guess that means they had free will too. They also presumably had more direct contact so faith wasn't an issue for them. Their sin was pride.I suppose OSAS didn't apply to Lucifer/Satan/etc.
Yes, it does.No, There was a rebellion. I guess that means they had free will too. They also presumably had more direct contact so faith wasn't an issue for them. Their sin was pride.
Paul does say we are supposed to stay the course and finish the race, so who knows for sure. But that doesn't mean we can't claim an assurance of salvation in anticipation of staying the course (I know that sounds like a contradiction)
Some Christians believe that even after death there is opportunity at salvation (up until the final judgment) and that the Christian is more accountable than the non Christian. Like David was saying earlier, God isn't out to set us up for failure and takes no pleasure in our consequences for our shortcomings. I've heard it said that in the OT God's wrath was usually against His own people, and he used the non believers as instruments of His wrath.Of course, now, it's no longer my circus, nor my
elephants. I'm trusting that God (however that might be
defined) has everyone's backs and that all will be well for
everyone in the end. The result? A peace which passes
all understanding (which is why so many don't
understand and therefore try to argue against it… just
watch…).
We do have grace to assuage our guilt, so I don't think we are supposed to go around feeling guilty all the time either, but we are supposed to be humble, since we understand we are forgiven of much.Not necessarily. There are people who are better at not feeling excess guilt or avoiding feeling guilty for something they shouldn't. I rarely feel any guilt. I would have to do something pretty selfish to feel much guilt. Even if you consider the state of humanity from a Christian viewpoint of sin, you don't have to feel guilty about it, but just shrug and work towards your goal of moving forward dealing with it.
Some Christians believe that even after death there is opportunity at salvation (up until the final judgment) and that the Christian is more accountable than the non Christian. Like David was saying earlier, God isn't out to set us up for failure and takes no pleasure in our consequences for our shortcomings. I've heard it said that in the OT God's wrath was usually against His own people, and he used the non believers as instruments of His wrath.
Some would agree, but I sure don't. I'd say that it's ourselves that we need to forgive.What, that we don't need forgiveness from God?
Karma, the way I understand it, is not built on guilt. It's more of an awareness of one's actions.How are we to meditate away guilt? Buddhism has karma and consequences too, and reincarnation into lower realms or states of being.
I think sociopaths are more of a lack of empathy, which really is pretty wide spread in our society. It's the lack of empathy that leads to not being able to feel guilt.People that don't feel guilt are called sociopaths.
.Some would agree, but I sure don't. I'd say that it's ourselves that we need to forgive.
Karma, the way I understand it, is not built on guilt. It's more of an awareness of one's actions.
Or perhaps, to add another option, coming at a relationship with the Divine where images of Salvation is not what it's about.I don't agree that if you don't believe in faith alone or in OSAS it means that you believe in work-based salvation.
I've come across a number of Saint's who are atheist. Just saying.A saint is not necessary someone who avoids sins but does their best to life in trusting and loving God.
What's your definition of "saint"?Or perhaps, to add another option, coming at a relationship with the Divine where images of Salvation is not what it's about.
I've come across a number of Saint's who are atheist. Just saying.
I don't believe that Saint's can be defined. It's like defining Love, it can't be done. But I do come across people who have a special way of giving their Loving Soul to the service of those in need. They are forgiving, compassionate, empathetic and full of wisdom that has a way of touching those around them.What's your definition of "saint"?
I didn't mean King David lol I was talking about the cf poster David Cabrera.Psalms 17:13.
Arise, O Lord!
confront him, bring him to his knees;
Rescue my soul from the wicked (who serve as)
Your sword.
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